Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 12 2024 08:00pm)
War crimes happen, certainly in this conflict and in all others. What's your point? Iraq is marrying 9 year olds, the CCP is sterilizing a million people in Xinjiang. Communist dictator Maduro is still ruling Venezuela with an economically illiterate fist. Should we invade Venezuela? China? Iraq?
"Fool me once, shame on you...", at what point do you lose trust in the national security apparatus that has overseen two straight decades of squandered American power?
Its a point brought up commonly by Jewish scholars unraveling the knots tied up by anti-semites, and its applicable to all kinds of world conflicts and causes.
The arab nations just held a summit hosted by MBS who represses women and executes rivals and bombs houthis, attended by Erdogan who persecutes and kills the Kurds, and you can just rattle off whatever you want about Pakistan (how is imran khan doing?), Somalia, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, etc etc
That's one corner of the world, one overarching ethnic group, let alone everything going on in Africa, China, South America, etc etc
If the argument to be made against Russia is a moralizing one, demanding action over supposed outrages- even if we take every accusation against Russia credibly and just ignore all the blatant war crimes by Ukrainians- you still need to answer why I should care about them in particular.
Is anyone seriously going to argue that the Ukrainian people living in Kiev and Lviv and other western cities have it worse than the Uighers in China and their systematic oppression and cultural obliteration? Why aren't we invading China?
If the only country you ever criticize is Israel, its because you're an anti-semite and looking for an excuse to dress it up in a moral argument. If this hypothetical 'you' is a warhawk neoconservative who itches for every chance for NATO to plunge into proxy wars, how am I to credibly assess your thoughts on Ukraine?