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Nov 8 2024 02:35am
Lots of stuff to ponder in Putin’s Valday speech but statements of maximum practical and immediate importance come at the end.

Putin makes it clear that Ukraine’s neutrality is not up for discussion while Ukraine’s new de-facto borders are.

He’ll keep waiting till it sinks in the West (which still partly believes in the pro-war propaganda falsehood that “it’s not about NATO”) and it finally moves on from bargaining about neutrality to salvaging what can be feasibly salvaged with regards to Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

The problem is that Ukraine is likely to lose much more territory before it happens.
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Nov 8 2024 02:42am
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edit: On Nazis.

The Banderites are generally a minority. Vast majority of Ukrainians are maybe nationalistic, but they're not pravi sector/Azov type nazis. I don't know how you get rid of those elements, because they're also the most dangerous and armed. These are the type of people that pushed this country to this level, which is really sad because a lot of people lost their lives for nothing.I suspect a lot of these type of characters when the war ends, if they are pushed out of power will quickly find their way into Europe. No one wants them though.


most of them are already dead.
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Its just predictable, like I've said since before the war even began.

After the war ends, there will be a huge supply of advanced American weaponry in the hands of extremists. We won't get all our guns, drones, artillery, vehicles, etc back. The Zelensky led puppet government won't be sustainable under internal pressure in the aftermath of a war loss to Russia, not without foreign backing- and the US won't be willing to prop it up indefinitely. The EU might, folding it into the welfare state, but at great additional stress to their fragile economy. You'll have a group of battle hardened militants who play either a significant role in the post-war government or who simply take it over, sitting on a horde of weaponry. Either they put it to use for terrorism / regional conflict, or they at a minimum sell it on the black market. All those drones and bombs going into the hands of America's enemies either way.

When we left a power vacuum in Iraq and Syria with heavily armed and hardened extremists, they formed ISIS and it led to all kinds of terrorism, another entrenched conflict and eventually our intervention to stop them. What's supposed to be our exit strategy in Ukraine? The neo-nazi power brokers only tolerate the US forcing a puppet jew to harp on about LGBTQ rights because we're paying their salaries and giving them their guns. Look what happened in Afghanistan the moment the US stopped buying off the warlords- the Taliban bought them off overnight.

Ukraine could stay glued to the EU teat and as long as that's the case, a sort of government halfway between a zelensky puppet regime and a nationalist azov regime could exist, trying to appease both those wishing for sovereignty and those reliant on foreign assistance for any quality of life. American taxpayers aren't going to be footing the bill directly 10 years from now, that's for sure. But if/when Ukraine is abandoned, left to fend for itself? The poorest country in the EU, made even poorer as its stripped of its natural resources, oil/ag/mining all fallen into Russian hands, left shattered with bombed out infrastructure and nonfunctioning utilities, massively depopulated with all the men and children dead or fled, and the remainder a bunch of nihilistic nazis with a massive stash of arms? Doesn't take nostradamus


just bumping this, to acknowledge it.

Desensitization to Violence, as we see in the middle east, has a huge impact on society. and yes all this was said early on in the topic. inevitable.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 8 2024 03:33am
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most of them are already dead.


Majority of them are not even fighting - doing propaganda tours instead. Eg Biletsky is still alive.
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Prominent Ukrainian far right figure Serhiy Sternenko has been put on the wanted list for draft dodging by the mobilisation authorities in his native Odessa.

A former Right Sector leader in Odessa, Sternenko stood accused of a murder but dodged prosecution after a loud campaign for his release. He later became the face of Prytula Foundation - a large scale operation crowdfunding Ukraine’s drone programme. It is also known to operate one of the most toxic troll networks here on this platform.

Sternenko confirmed reports in a Telegram post that a draft notice was sent to his place of registration in Odessa. He accused those behind it of trying to undermine the Ukrainian drone production and working for the Kremlin


What a true far right grifter does when accused of draft dodging and - in later reports - of faking disability (poor eyesight) to assist that? He writes to his 860K followers on TG:

“Russians have no right to live” instead of joining the front lines



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