how do you see it ? genuine, is it that the western propaganda machine has ukrainian sentiment entirely wrong?

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 7 2024 06:27am

Yes. It relies on English-speaking pro-western activist minority who have set up an elaborate foreign sponsored / HUR managed propaganda network. Try googling something Ukraine related in Russian. Your first 10 pages of sources are propaganda outlets spinning an Ukraine-leaning narrative. Keep in mind that speaking out against Ukranian official party line lands you in jail at the moment (or worse). Same is valid for Russia currently. Supporting Ukraine implicitly or explicitly lands you in trouble in Russia.

The only Ukranian voices able to tell the real picture are either abroad (Sharij, Arestovich et al) or in Russia or have no voice as they are afraid of the repercussions (remember that lady in Odessa who hoisted a Russian flag? What happened to her?). Everyone questioning Ukraine propaganda are quickly labeled as kremlin bots or putins bootlickers.

While nobody is denying here the severity of this war and heroism of ukranians fighting against all odds, the attitude is shifting rapidly on the ground, especially amongst those people that don’t speak English.

Don’t forget that even in supposedly “free” Europe - questioning official narrative that “Russia bad, don’t mind the swastikas they are fighting” - you risk losing your political / corporate career and being forever labeled as Putinversteher:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinversteher

This post was edited by Malopox on Nov 7 2024 06:44am

ok thanks

At this point I'm wishing I'd kept better track of all the Ukraine gaslighting. Russia is collapsing, they'll be marching into Moscow, we must send Ukraine obscene amounts of money, etc, etc. The same people who were wrong about covid pushed this pointless border dispute. Heads should roll in America for this but sadly the best we'll get is them fading away into political obscurity.

All Western MSM narratives have now collapsed, as the media has lost on credibility

Media have been losing it's credibility for the longest time.
It fast tracked into a complete collapse ever since the internet become more and more involved into everyday lives.

Blame Steve Jobs for the first Apple iPhone.

It allows any Tom Dick and Harry to post their own comments, opinions without scrutiny.
It allows people who share similar ignorant and dim witted philosophy to gather en masse and push forward nonsensical ideologues.

A whole generation of social justice warriors were born.

sir, it allows people to question the lies being spun in main stream media. just saying!

It's an inflection point for the normies, for whom the grip of the regime is still very strong - A whole lot of people still managed to vote for Kamala and the data from the EU on Trump is damning

Now, for the first time in a saeculum, there will no longer be a mandated regime narrative on the whole of the human condition, past present and future

Pros and Cons, it seems to me the cons are currently greater than the Pros. although it allows us to question and scrutinize the Media.
The propaganda and government machine controlled by elites, lobby groups go all the way out to coerce, silence and threaten us (If we become slightly famous).

Sir, im not famous.