What, are you telling me that the US sending all kinds of weapons to a radicalized minority to fight a proxy war could somehow backfire in the long run as those Taliban ISIS Neo-Nazis turn against us and use our weapons for terrorism or regional conflict?

Sounds like it ya ?

Just to add what is going to come along.

This will be a lot worst than terrorism from Islamic Fundamentals. I am talking about a million times worst. I won't be wrong if I say that it will be a global catastrophe (Potentially Nuclear).

For good reasons as listed below.

1. They are white or look white. Blue Eye Blond.

2. They speak Russian ( At least 95% of them)

3. They are not stupid, I believe Ukrainians have produced in the past ample amount of scientist , Physicists etc etc to be able to build dirty bombs or low yield Nuclear capable devices.

4. If they let one off in the west, they can blame the Russians in future.

5. That being said if the Russians want to let off a few low yield ones, they can also point fingers at the Ukrainians , you really can't differentiate.

6. If they name change to a Anglo or Germanic sounding last name, that's even worst unless you DNA test them ( Not Feasible, that is Racists. )

7. Easy Nuclear war.

I hope I am wrong.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 7 2024 03:41am

too extreme hamster, too extreme. lets see what happens over the next two years. my instinct is you are wrong here btw. their enemy is Russia not us.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 7 2024 04:06am

Taliban Enemies are Israel and the Jews who mistreated their brothers Palestine.

Don't underestimate the grievance of a group of strong willed and proud people who are being double crossed, betrayed and deceived.
Culture and nationalism is an extremely potent drug.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 7 2024 04:10am

Ukraine's mindset is not one of delusion but rather a combination of historical, cultural, psychological, and social factors, reinforced by support from the U.S. and its allies. Ukrainians genuinely believe in their eventual victory, which serves as a crucial motivator, allowing them to maintain the will to resist even in the face of overwhelming odds. This belief empowers Ukrainians to persevere, preserving their identity and sense of purpose amid Russia’s invasion.

While history offers examples of smaller forces defending against larger ones, the presence of global superpowers changes the dynamic. For Russia, this conflict is viewed as existential, and thus they cannot afford to yield. However, Ukraine’s primary focus is simply to repel the invasion, a goal in which they remain unwaveringly confident.

Given these deeply ingrained beliefs, it’s unlikely that Ukraine’s ideological commitment to resistance will change, regardless of external proposals, including those from leaders like Trump. Any suggestion of compromise could meet significant resistance among Ukrainians, with backlash against their own leaders if surrender were ever considered. This situation highlights the risk of a rigid, binary outlook on the war, where Ukrainians view it as a clear-cut struggle with little room for nuance. Introducing a different perspective, even in the future, would likely be met with significant cultural resistance.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 7 2024 04:39am

The Biden administration is planning to rush the last of over $6 billion remaining in Ukraine security assistance out the door by Inauguration Day

But the problems are immense. It normally takes months for munitions and equipment to get to Ukraine after an aid package is announced, so anything rolled out in the coming weeks would likely not fully arrive until well into the Trump administration, and the next commander in chief could halt the shipments before they’re on the ground.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/06/biden-trump-ukraine-assistance-00187897

I must admit Donald Trump is looking pretty good right now.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 7 2024 05:31am

Its just predictable, like I've said since before the war even began.

After the war ends, there will be a huge supply of advanced American weaponry in the hands of extremists. We won't get all our guns, drones, artillery, vehicles, etc back. The Zelensky led puppet government won't be sustainable under internal pressure in the aftermath of a war loss to Russia, not without foreign backing- and the US won't be willing to prop it up indefinitely. The EU might, folding it into the welfare state, but at great additional stress to their fragile economy. You'll have a group of battle hardened militants who play either a significant role in the post-war government or who simply take it over, sitting on a horde of weaponry. Either they put it to use for terrorism / regional conflict, or they at a minimum sell it on the black market. All those drones and bombs going into the hands of America's enemies either way.

When we left a power vacuum in Iraq and Syria with heavily armed and hardened extremists, they formed ISIS and it led to all kinds of terrorism, another entrenched conflict and eventually our intervention to stop them. What's supposed to be our exit strategy in Ukraine? The neo-nazi power brokers only tolerate the US forcing a puppet jew to harp on about LGBTQ rights because we're paying their salaries and giving them their guns. Look what happened in Afghanistan the moment the US stopped buying off the warlords- the Taliban bought them off overnight.

Ukraine could stay glued to the EU teat and as long as that's the case, a sort of government halfway between a zelensky puppet regime and a nationalist azov regime could exist, trying to appease both those wishing for sovereignty and those reliant on foreign assistance for any quality of life. American taxpayers aren't going to be footing the bill directly 10 years from now, that's for sure. But if/when Ukraine is abandoned, left to fend for itself? The poorest country in the EU, made even poorer as its stripped of its natural resources, oil/ag/mining all fallen into Russian hands, left shattered with bombed out infrastructure and nonfunctioning utilities, massively depopulated with all the men and children dead or fled, and the remainder a bunch of nihilistic nazis with a massive stash of arms? Doesn't take nostradamus

I don’t see it this way. The most revealing fact is that the majority of Ukrainian men did not update their contact information for military recruitment offices by the July deadline, despite the relatively high fines and various complications in everyday life and work that they may now face.

We are talking not just about "hundreds of thousands", but about the majority of Ukrainian men on military duty. And many of those who updated their contact information had the right for exemption.

Egregious example of the gap between propaganda tormented by the likes of western MSM or Kiev School of Zeconomics (pun intended) and reality on the ground: far-right volunteer-bloggers hide from draft: