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Apr 13 2022 03:51am
Quote (fender @ Apr 13 2022 10:49am)
clinically? maybe, maybe not. even if he's paranoid, he KNOWS that nato won't attack him. he's not trump, he's not dumb - so he KNOWS that it will end badly for russia if he attacks a nato member.

so as his neighbour you have two options:

a - choose the safe route and become a nato member
b - fashion your country's whole foreign policy and trade relations in a way that couldn't possibly trigger your potentially paranoid, murderous dictator next door, who repeatedly invaded their neighbours.



in the sane people world we simply call that "defend". russia shills really are something else, lol.


i dont disagree with (a) and (b) options, i just disagree with (a) while tensions are so high.
i would add to your (b) to say:

b - fashion your country's whole foreign policy and trade relations in a way that couldn't possibly trigger your potentially paranoid, murderous dictator next door, who repeatedly invaded their neighbours over this very issue.

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Apr 13 2022 04:06am
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in the sane people world we simply call that "defend". russia shills really are something else, lol.


I am describing to you the literal definition and purpose of NATO and you're still hung up on it
Not merely 'defend'. An act of war against one member of NATO is an act of war against all. Its a military alliance that says we will fight a war on any member state's behalf if attacked.
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Quote (ferdia @ 13 Apr 2022 11:51)
i dont disagree with (a) and (b) options, i just disagree with (a) while tensions are so high.
i would add to your (b) to say:

b - fashion your country's whole foreign policy and trade relations in a way that couldn't possibly trigger your potentially paranoid, murderous dictator next door, who repeatedly invaded their neighbours over this very issue.


oh, was it this issue? i thought it was about "de-nazifying" ukraine - or was it because donbas wanted to join russia anyway - or was it because ukraine was former soviet territory and russia therefore has a legitimate claim to it, no matter what the ukrainian people want - or was it just about ukraine joining nato? oh wait, ukraine did not even have a realistic pathway to join nato with the active territorial conflict going on there, after russia already invaded them in 2014...

anyway, the argument you're trying to make there simply doesn't add up: you're suggesting finland should join when tensions are not so high - but at the same time you're suggesting that a country aiming to join nato is what heated up tensions in the first place. meaning there is no "good" time to join anyway, whenever a russian neighbour tries to join, it triggers pootin into invading them. even an accelerated membership takes some time, you don't do that literally over night while the whole of russia is asleep, and surprise them with it next day...
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Quote (Goomshill @ 13 Apr 2022 12:06)
I am describing to you the literal definition and purpose of NATO and you're still hung up on it
Not merely 'defend'. An act of war against one member of NATO is an act of war against all. Its a military alliance that says we will fight a war on any member state's behalf if attacked.


goon, your whole post was framed in an insanely biased, reason defying way, this was just the first thing that stood out. i posted that nato would never attack and invade russia, and pootin knows that, even you know that. your attempt to deny that by saying "nuh uh - nato WILL attack... - if they are attacked first by russia" is just blatant hackery. that's not what "attack" or "invade" mean. foh with that bs.
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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 13 2022 10:32am)
I honestly think Putin is paranoid.


I think these days the whole world is paranoid. We could blame Putin and Biden but more we can blame it on the media spreading confusion.
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Apr 13 2022 04:18am
Quote (Goomshill @ 13 Apr 2022 12:06)
I am describing to you the literal definition and purpose of NATO and you're still hung up on it
Not merely 'defend'. An act of war against one member of NATO is an act of war against all. Its a military alliance that says we will fight a war on any member state's behalf if attacked.


Yes
Merely defend the country being attacked. Simple as that.
What are you confused about exactly ?
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Quote (Humbletrader @ 13 Apr 2022 12:16)
I think these days the whole world is paranoid. We could blame Putin and Biden but more we can blame it on the media spreading confusion.


you're misreading the room. ferdia didn't say that to insult pootin, he said that to suggest russia's neighbours should design their foreign policy around a murderous dictator's potential psychological issues. save your whataboutisms for someone who actually blames pootin for his crimes and wars of aggression.

This post was edited by fender on Apr 13 2022 04:26am
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russian soldier that raped an infant in ukraine.

in b4 the choppedick, this russian soldier is under arrest in russia for this.

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Quote (fender @ Apr 13 2022 11:23am)
you're misreading the room. ferdia didn't say that to insult pootin, he said that to suggest russia's neighbours should design their foreign policy around a murderous dictator's potential psychological issues.


to be clear: yes this is my view.

I invite any responses to this view.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 13 2022 04:51am
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Quote (SanduLungu @ 13 Apr 2022 13:41)
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russian soldier that raped an infant in ukraine.

in b4 the choppedick, this russian soldier is under arrest in russia for this.


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