Because they didn't want to be tortured & slaughtered by Ukronazis who control the areas. This is just propaganda, you didn't hear them because their voices were silenced, all dissenting media in Ukraine is outlawed under pain of torture by Ukronazis, Ukraine is an autocratic totalitarian state

Ukraine snatches & press gangs young boys and older men off the streets to go be sent to fight a war they don't want

This post was edited by El1te on Oct 28 2024 11:20am

That’s literally what happened in 2014. Riots in Odessa, Kharkiv and other cities. Crushed by neonazis, civilians burned to death. Aidan and Kraken are now stationed in Kharkiv to suppress popular revolt. They are notorious for kidnapping, mutilating and torturing people. Human rights reports about their escapades before the invasion were posted here many times.You would be suicidal to try to do something in eg Kharkiv now in 2020s without having solid numbers and weapons to support your uprising. Civilian will get slaughtered if they try to oppose Kraken.

Having said that - the map is still correct. You can find another one showing ethnic and cultural divide dated 2014 or 2020. You are also invited to see many videos out of eg Odessa right now in 2024, where people openly show no support to the central powers in Kiev, speaking Russian in interviews to openly hostile Western Ukranian journalists.

Or you can talk to Ukranians you know out of Kharkov and Odessa what they think and whether they have any warm and fuzzy feelings towards Bandera followers who murdered Jews (predominant Odessa citizens even to this date) for the fun of it. Remember - Odessa citizens are two strikes off on the chart of neonazis hate. They are Jewish and Russian. Oy vey.

Remember that lady that got detained for hoisting a Russian flag in Odessa few weeks back? What happened to her?

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 28 2024 12:07pm

So autocratic and totalitarian that it allowed some 10m of its people to leave the country when this war began.
Also, we're talking about February/March 2022 here, a time when Russian troops were on the doorstep of Kharkiv, Mykolaiv, etc. Are we really supposed to believe that Ukrainian ultranationalists in this situation were preoccupied with terrorizing their own civilian population rather than go fight the Russian enemy which was shelling their cities?


Afaik, the press gangs only became prevalent at a later point, when recruiters ran out of volunteers (of which there were many in the early days).





Does speaking Russian automatically imply a pro-Russian stance in this war?

I just have to go back to my earlier question: are we really to believe that several years of shelling of their cities by the Russian has had no effect on the residents of front-line cities like Kharkiv? Is it plausible that this experience has endeared the Russians to any of them? Is it plausible that there weren't many who were driven away from the Russian side by it?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 28 2024 01:46pm

Ukraine has long since passed their Enabling Act - there is no freedom of press, speech or organization, opposition parties are banned, there are no elections. It's literally a totalitarian state in the present. They let a bunch of pro-Ukronazi grandmas and expats/visitors leave, big whoop. Being a man in Ukraine? Lol enjoy your freedom!

"Their own civilian population" that they consider enemies of the state and Russian actors? Yes, of course they did? They view pro-Russian Ukraine citizens as enemies of the state to be tortured, and they have since the coup in 2014, not 2022. Russia's 2022 intervention in Ukraine is a liberation campaign for the tortured and oppressed Russian minority - similar to how we intervened in your country back in 1945 to liberate the Jews and other oppressed minority groups from a different totalitarian state.

Is press ganging a tactic that is compatible with a free democracy? If they ran out of volunteers, that means Ukrainians want the war to end, and they don't want to fight. A democracy would respect that. Impressment has been abolished in the Anglosphere for over 200 years - aligning with the abolishment of slavery, because impressment is literally slave catching.

The whole denial of Ukronazis and their crimes against humanity is mind boggling. These people are very open about it.

This post was edited by El1te on Oct 28 2024 02:21pm