Quote (El1te @ 28 Oct 2024 18:19)
Because they didn't want to be tortured & slaughtered by Ukronazis who control the areas. This is just propaganda, you didn't hear them because their voices were silenced, all dissenting media in Ukraine is outlawed under pain of torture by Ukronazis, Ukraine is an autocratic totalitarian state
So autocratic and totalitarian that it allowed some 10m of its people to leave the country when this war began.
Also, we're talking about February/March 2022 here, a time when Russian troops were on the doorstep of Kharkiv, Mykolaiv, etc. Are we really supposed to believe that Ukrainian ultranationalists in this situation were preoccupied with terrorizing their own civilian population rather than go fight the Russian enemy which was shelling their cities?
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Ukraine snatches & press gangs young boys and older men off the streets to go be sent to fight a war they don't want
Afaik, the press gangs only became prevalent at a later point, when recruiters ran out of volunteers (of which there were many in the early days).
Quote (Malopox @ 28 Oct 2024 19:06)
Having said that - the map is still correct. You can find another one showing ethnic and cultural divide dated 2014 or 2020. You are also invited to see many videos out of eg Odessa right now in 2024, where people openly show no support to the central powers in Kiev, speaking Russian in interviews to openly hostile Western Ukranian journalists.
Does speaking Russian automatically imply a pro-Russian stance in this war?
I just have to go back to my earlier question: are we really to believe that several years of shelling of their cities by the Russian has had no effect on the residents of front-line cities like Kharkiv? Is it plausible that this experience has endeared the Russians to any of them? Is it plausible that there weren't many who were driven away from the Russian side by it?
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 28 2024 01:46pm