Sir let me use my own form of words and composition to explain my point of view.
First things first please note I am not from the West.

I am a Singaporean, born there live there work and studied there.
Did my tertiary studies in Melbourne Australia.
Worked a little in Scotland
And I am now residing in Hong Kong and working in HK and China for the past 10 years.

Most of you guys on JSP are watching mostly Western and European media. The impact and the narrative and what you receive is pretty much being fed to you by your countries agenda.
And I believe most of you guys are not bilingual and even if you are the other language might probably be Spanish especially in America. So you probably haven't seen news in Taiwan , China, Hong Kong , Japan and South Korea and what they are thinking.

Will Finland join Nato? They have been doing fine without NATO for the longest time. If Russia really wants to take Finland, perhaps Finland will remind the Russians that without NATO, almost 200,000 Russian troops are buried in the forest in Finland during their last excursion.
This whole Ukraine war perhaps in my ignorant opinion is basically two Petty Nuclear Superpowers trying to flex their muscles, militarily and economically.
USA the leader of the " free world " wants to dominate and wants to continue to dominate the entire world . And let me out it this way, there is nothing wrong with it, every super power who has experience stability and growth and corporations making money will want to continue that trend.

Then again, the president of Finland wants to join NATO, please also take note of the dissenting voices in Finland that do not want to join NATO.
Like what Ferdia says , it makes no sense for them to join NATO. Once in NATO, you will have to take the cue from USA. Perhaps there are people in Finland who have their own ideas of how they should run their own country.

Its powerful dictators left alive thats caused this mess. Not irrational decisions by the west or ukraine.

I saw your other posts but now we are getting into things that are not really related, but i am happy to see your thoughs anyway. I will elaborate on it afternoon, i am at work atm.

There are also powerful dictators in in States. But I can assure you it is not the President of the United States.

why is this so difficult to understand for people?

if you're in nato, you're safe from russian aggression, if you're not in nato, pootin might send his child murderers and rapists to grab your land - and claim it's because he wants to "de-nazify" your country (by sending his own nazis), and because he's soooooo afraid of nato on his borders, even though nato countries have been on russian borders for decades (norway, poland, estonia, lithuania, latvia) and he KNOWS that nato would never try to invade russia.

to act like countries choosing the safe option, rather than letting a murderous dictator determine their foreign policy, was some kind of undue provocation or escalation, is insane to me. intelligent and reasonable people should not buy into such obvious bullshit. pootin doesn't fear a nato invasion, he's not stupid - he's using it as an excuse for his attempts to expand russia's territory and influence.

NATO is a military alliance that vows to attack Russia if Russia attacks any member state. Expanding NATO means determining we care enough about a country to be willing to defend it. And the west does not give a shit about the Ukrainian people, never has, and certainly doesn't right now no matter how much we pretend otherwise. Biden heralded this war by preemptively announcing he wouldn't intervene to stop Russia. We won't risk direct conflict for the sake of Ukraine. We would if it was Poland, but not Ukraine. That's what NATO means. Its not a magic badge you wear and get a shield, Ukraine never had a chance at gaining it. The west knew Russia would act to stop NATO expansion into Ukraine, the west wasn't willing to fight over it.

So the options the Ukrainians were given was choice A), where Russia bloodlessly regained the control over Ukraine which it held for all but 8 of the past 300 years, and most of the past 1200 years minus the mongol invasion and cossack rebellion. Or option B), where the west prods on Ukraine to become the new Syria and watch as its people are massacred by barrel bombs in a hopeless conflict with an inevitable conclusion.

now, whats the better outcome for the Ukrainians? Bending the knee to the murderous dictator, or being murdered by him?

Swap Russia with USA, change few names and terms (de-nazification with liberalization) and you'll get the same result. Only natural gas and petrol matter in such conflicts.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-60894476

account from a british man in Mariupol, who traveled their to take up arms against Russia.



whether he successfully surrenders will remain to be seen

I honestly think Putin is paranoid.

The West and mainly the United States have been paranoid even after the cold war ended.
So you got one paranoid Putin and a group of Paranoid Congress and senate.
The end result is pretty clear

clinically? maybe, maybe not. even if he's paranoid, he KNOWS that nato won't attack him. he's not trump, he's not dumb - so he KNOWS that it will end badly for russia if he attacks a nato member.

so as his neighbour you have two options:

a - choose the safe route and become a nato member
b - fashion your country's whole foreign policy and trade relations in a way that couldn't possibly trigger your potentially paranoid, murderous dictator next door, who repeatedly invaded their neighbours.



in the sane people world we simply call that "defend". russia shills really are something else, lol.