The plan outlined by Zelensky consists of five key points:

Inviting Ukraine to join Nato
The strengthening of Ukrainian defence against Russian forces, including getting permission from allies to use their long-range weapons on Russian territory, and the continuation of Ukraine's military operations on Russian territory to avoid creation of the "buffer zones" in Ukraine
Containment of Russia via a non-nuclear strategic deterrent package deployed on Ukrainian soil
Joint protection by the US and the EU of Ukraine's critical natural resources and joint use of their economic potential
For the post-war period only: replacing some US troops stationed across Europe with Ukrainian troops
Three "addendums" remain secret and will only be shared with Ukraine's partners, Zelensky said
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0z8gg5v14o.amp

1) “No NATO” is literally the main reason Russia started this war. Russians will not accept NATO in Ukraine.
2) Deploying strategic non-nuclear deterrent in Ukraine to counter Russia sounds exactly like a) problem. Doubt Russians would agree.
3) Most of the critical natural resiurces are on the territory of regions Russia already controls. ”Joint-use of Ukranian resources” sounds like betrayal of future generations of Ukranians for a short term pointless war against Russia. Did Ukrainians sign up for their land to be “jointly used” / sold to fight a pointless war? What would Azov say?
4) Not sure what to make of “replacing US troops with Ukranians”. Why?
5) secret addendums, mmm, okay.


Zelensky’s victory plan is what it is - an entirely unrealistic plan, or rather an ultimatum to Western allies, which is most likely designed to prepare society for the inevitability of peace talks and a very painful compromise. The next line in this song is: The West betrayed us.

The gigantic bubble of surreal delusions, outright lies and cowardly self-deception surrounding this conflict is about to burst with Zelensky is turning into a pumpkin Nguyen Van Thieu.

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 16 2024 09:01am

Speaking about realistic. There's literally a less than a month gap for both Russians and Ukrainians to take major cities and settle there for the coming winter. The most vulnerable city for this period is Sudzha clearly. Not Kupyansk, not Vovchansk, not even Chasiv Yar. Sudzha is the only option for Ukrainians to play their card of having Russian "motherland" captured for the entire season with no effort if they can keep control over it for these few weeks using their Spec Ops forces and best troops while Russians are raining fire upon the land of Kursk.
It's so called Rasputitsa. Not the infamous General Frost that magically starts working in places that Russia takes control of, depriving Ukrainians of this entirely.

This post was edited by Norlander on Oct 16 2024 10:32am

SMO completed yet?

Ukrainian NATO membership was already made practically impossible due to the frozen conflict in the Donbass prior to Feb 2022.


Are we to believe that Russian occupiers would exploit Ukraine's natural resources less ruthlessly? Also, why should the ordinary Ukrainian pleb care if his country's riches are pocketed by corrupt Western billionaires, corrupt Russian oligarchs or corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs? It makes no real difference.



Agreed.

points 1-4 are just
1. ask the us to fight our war
2. ask the us to fight our war
3. ask the us to fight our war
4. ask the us to fight our war

Nope, those are the excuses for later to push the blame for the loss on the western allies.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Oct 16 2024 04:36pm

Ukraine would be ashes without Nato.

Without NATO support, they would have had no other choice than to surrender in March 2022, turning them into a Russian colony or vassal state. Some folks believe that that would have been a better outcome for them. *shrug*