Nah, the Nazis had planned to invade Poland and other places in Eastern Europe for a long time. The alleged Polish massacres of Germanic people were just the pretext for the landgrab and ethnic cleansings which the Nazis were gonna carry out sooner or later anyway. Keep in mind that Hitler and Stalin had already agreed upon splitting up and annexing Poland.

The concept of "Judeo-Bolshevism" was a staple of Nazi propaganda and had barely any basis in reality.

I mean this is forbidden history, especially in your country so I understand if you don't want to discuss it out of fear of persecution by the state

But just know that people don't just decide to invade people for no reason, it's simply not how the human condition operates. Even the dreaded Mongols didn't do this, they only wiped out people who defied them and refused to pay tribute (tax) and commit soldiers to their host (and murdered their emissaries)

The genocides in Poland were happening well before 1939 and were ongoing since hostilities first ended in 1918 when Germany was in a weak and fragile state

This post was edited by El1te on Oct 7 2024 10:09pm

Nazi collaborators were mostly from Western Ukraine that was a part of Poland until 1945. They didn’t experience Holodomor and Stalin. Their actions were mostly driven out of revenge for Polish ethnic cleansings after ww1 (volhyn massacre) abd their hate for jews (the word pogrom was invented in Ukraine)

From the Wikipedia page on Volhyn:



These Ukrainian Nazis are still fighting in the service of a defeated German regime that used them as usual idiot disposable frontline soldiers that they aimed to also kill after the dust settled

More or less yeah. Ukranians were considered untermenschen and were to be disposed off to make space for lebensraum of the aryans. Melnyk (OUN-M) realised that right away, refused to collaborate and paid dearly for that. Bandera realized that in 1943 once he and his cronies murdered tens if not hundreds of thousands that he would not be allowed sovereignty, but it was too late. He was then removed from the chessboard for a more direct German oversight of eg 14th Waffen SS Galicia formed in 1943 with German command.

Hence the belief of modern Ukranian nationalists that Bandwra was “betrayed” by the Germans. He wasn’t betrayed, he betrayed his own kin and was a useful idiot committing massacres.

Lmao, Germany is not an authoritarian shithole or a police state. I surely don't shy away from debates or standpoints out of fear of government persecution.


Of course not, I never claimed that either?! The Nazis wanted to invade Eastern Europe for Lebensraum and to further their quest to eradicate the Jews, which at the time were more numerous in Eastern than Western Europe. They also wanted to steal the resources and find some slave labor to exploit.


Yes, the entire region was in essentially a continuous state of war from 1914 all the way through 1945. During the interwar period which saw tenuous peace in Western Europe, there was ongoing fighting in the East between various parties at the periphery of the frailing Russian Empire. After the Soviets had won the Russian civil war, ethnic cleansings, forced mass starvations and so on began while the Poles kept fighting against the Lithuanians and the Soviets, there were also conflicts further south-east in Bessarabia etc. pp.

This does not mean that the war crimes committed by the Poles stood out relative to the standards of the time, nor that they were the actual casus belli for Hitler and Stalin. To be honest, it's quite baffling how your position seems to be "Hitler and Stalin - two of the most bloodthirsty dictators in the history of mankind - actually had morally legitimate reasons to invade their smaller neighbor."

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 8 2024 09:13am

just like the corporations (= the grandsons of the fascist elite) are trying to erradicate Russia & the Russians and steal their resources, right?

Touchê

p.s. no need to reply me before you research "Operation Paperclip" and realize that the fascist elite was sheltered by the USA & UK later to be integrated into NATO...

The list of NATO Leaders who were Nazi Elite is long

Death to Fascism.

they... will lose again

This post was edited by aRMakedon on Oct 8 2024 10:52am

Who wants to eradicate Russia or steal their resources? This war is fought because Russia invaded another ountry. Or, to phrase it from a different angle: because NATO doesn't accept Russia's direct or implicit claim that Ukraine shall be its vassal state and only enjoy very limited sovereignty. The only source of any kind of moral grey area in this matter is that Ukraine itself is internally torn between a pro-Western and a pro-Russian side.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 8 2024 11:11am

Not one inch eastward has been memory holed in we were always at war with east Asia 1984 esque fashion. But to be expected when we are storybook good guys and everyone of our geopolitical enemies are always the anti-heroes. Shit, we can fuck up 5 countries in a 20 year time frame and no one cares, no sanctions, no nothing, while our geopolitical enemies doing the same to one country are viewed as evil oppressor incarnate. I guess if we spam 'unprovoked' enough time on western airwaves it must be true.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 8 2024 11:38am