Quote (El1te @ 8 Oct 2024 04:55)

Oh big time. The Lithuanians probably hate the Russians more than any other peoples, even more than Ukraine. They were conquered by the Soviet Union and had every reason to dislike them. Now we're getting into "revisionist" WWII history which is considered heresy by the regime. The German-aligned Axis people were largely motivated by anti-communism, figures I read were that about 60% of Germans were motivated by anti-communism and only 20% by antisemitism. Jewish people and communists were seen as the same entity, as they believed that communism was a Jewish-led revolution (were they wrong? We see parallels today). There is also the fact that the Poles were actively engaging in the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Germans, Lithuanians and other Germanic non-Poles in the nascent Polish state, which was the casus belli for the German occupation in 1939.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 7 2024 08:48pm)

Nah, the Nazis had planned to invade Poland and other places in Eastern Europe for a long time. The alleged Polish massacres of Germanic people were just the pretext for the landgrab and ethnic cleansings which the Nazis were gonna carry out sooner or later anyway. Keep in mind that Hitler and Stalin had already agreed upon splitting up and annexing Poland.

The concept of "Judeo-Bolshevism" was a staple of Nazi propaganda and had barely any basis in reality.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 8 Oct 2024 04:44)

I kinda understand why many Ukrainians sided with the Nazis back in the day, considering the Holodomor and the all-around abuse they had suffered at the hands of Stalin. Maybe there's a similar reason for the Lithuanians? Their historic capital Vilnius had been annexed by the Russian Empire during WW1, was then briefly freed by the Germans, then seized by the Poles during the chaotic interwar period, then annexed yet again by the Soviets. They had pretty good reasons to hate both the Poles and the Russians...

Quote (Malopox @ Oct 7 2024 09:18pm)

Nazi collaborators were mostly from Western Ukraine that was a part of Poland until 1945. They didn’t experience Holodomor and Stalin. Their actions were mostly driven out of revenge for Polish ethnic cleansings after ww1 (volhyn massacre) abd their hate for jews (the word pogrom was invented in Ukraine)

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The ruling Germans also actively encouraged both Ukrainians and Poles to kill each other.

Quote (El1te @ 8 Oct 2024 07:04)

From the Wikipedia page on Volhyn:



These Ukrainian Nazis are still fighting in the service of a defeated German regime that used them as usual idiot disposable frontline soldiers that they aimed to also kill after the dust settled