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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 7 Oct 2024 10:08)
Check the links for the those Russian Neo-nazis I posted, its not that difficult. You click the link, you read the information?
I even quoted the article for what happened to at least two of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Nekrasov
"On 22 April 2022, he died after his vehicle hit a landmine near Izium." :(

Here it is again for you.

Why are you so invested in downplaying Russias neo-nazi problem? Do you support Neo-nazis, just as long as their Russian?

Are you delusional? You started seeing things which are not there.



This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 7 2024 02:16am
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Quote (Malopox @ Oct 7 2024 09:15am)
Are you delusional? You started seeing things which are not there.

https://i.imgur.com/N0qr5zA.jpeg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Nekrasov_(Russian_nationalist)

Its not difficult to run a google search.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 7 2024 02:20am
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 7 Oct 2024 10:19)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Nekrasov_(Russian_nationalist)

Its not difficult to run a google search.


The fact that it was hard even for you to find this Denis on google should tell you he probably was not as notorious as Mr Zalushny who made selfies with neo nazis and nazi regalia.

So you did get delusional? You are losing it and should probably consider dodging before it gets too humiliating. What you are doing right now is the textbook Oxford dictionary definition of grasping at straws.

No clue who this Denis guy was, but looks pretty timid compared to your friends in Azov. No notable hate crimes, wasn’t recording his war crimes and doesn’t even have a swastika tattooed on his forehead.

The only thing notable about him is that he died in Ukraine and was connected to Russian Imperial Movement (whoever these guys are). Looks like he never had any elected roles, never served in public functions and will not be remembered. Doesn’t even have a Russian language Wikipedia page and English language wiki links to pro-Ukraine sources only.

Next one.

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Quote (Malopox @ Oct 7 2024 09:28am)
The fact that it was hard even for you to find this Denis on google should tell you he probably was not as notorious as Mr Zalushny who made selfies with neo nazis and nazi regalia.

So you did get delusional? You are losing it and should probably consider dodging before it gets too humiliating. What you are doing right now is the textbook Oxford dictionary definition of grasping at straws.

No clue who this Denis guy was, but looks pretty timid compared to your friends in Azov. No notable hate crimes, wasn’t recording his war crimes and doesn’t even have a swastika tattooed on his forehead.

The only thing notable about him is that he died in Ukraine and was connected to Russian Imperial Movement (whoever these guys are). Looks like he never had any elected roles, never served in public functions and will not be remembered. Doesn’t even have a Russian language Wikipedia page and English language wiki links to pro-Ukraine sources only.

Next one.


When you resort to attacking my character and claiming that Russia has no more of a problem with Nazis than other countries, it is clear I've touched a nerve that's made you incapable of objectively discussing Russia's obvious problem with neo-Nazis.
If it is too personally upsetting for you to discuss at length, perhaps don't interject in the conversation. There are much safer places on the forum if you can't control your emotions. Try general chat.

Just reread your post and had to laugh at your parenthesis of "(whoever these guys are)" The RIM is a literal designated terrorist organisation of white supremacists, most of whom are fighting for Russia against Ukraine.
https://www.icct.nl/publication/russian-imperial-movement-rim-and-its-links-transnational-white-supremacist-extremist

Maybe its a consequence of the Russian state and psyche being so de-sensitised to having fascist, terrorist, militias and gangs as part of the fabric of society and goverment, that leads you to be unaware of these type of groups.
That is, of course if we consider you are being honestly ignorant as opposed to wilfully ignorant.

Alas it will be all to apparent once Putin dies or is deposed just exactly how prevalent these type of groups are. Remember Iraq after Saddam? Thats going to seem like a day at the Zoo by comparison. Good luck.


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https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/07/europe/russian-court-sentences-us-citizen-stephen-hubbard-intl/index.html

Russia sentenced a captured US citizen to prison for serving as a mercenary fighting with Ukraine. 6 years, but he is 72, unlikely to make any bargaining sessions to trade for a US prisoner unless its a big end of war swap
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Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 7 2024 10:07am)
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/07/europe/russian-court-sentences-us-citizen-stephen-hubbard-intl/index.html

Russia sentenced a captured US citizen to prison for serving as a mercenary fighting with Ukraine. 6 years, but he is 72, unlikely to make any bargaining sessions to trade for a US prisoner unless its a big end of war swap


The guy was an English teacher/pensioner lmao

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 7 Oct 2024 11:06)
When you resort to attacking my character and claiming that Russia has no more of a problem with Nazis than other countries, it is clear I've touched a nerve that's made you incapable of objectively discussing Russia's obvious problem with neo-Nazis.
If it is too personally upsetting for you to discuss at length, perhaps don't interject in the conversation. There are much safer places on the forum if you can't control your emotions. Try general chat.

Just reread your post and had to laugh at your parenthesis of "(whoever these guys are)" The RIM is a literal designated terrorist organisation of white supremacists, most of whom are fighting for Russia against Ukraine.
https://www.icct.nl/publication/russian-imperial-movement-rim-and-its-links-transnational-white-supremacist-extremist

Maybe its a consequence of the Russian state and psyche being so de-sensitised to having fascist, terrorist, militias and gangs as part of the fabric of society and goverment, that leads you to be unaware of these type of groups.
That is, of course if we consider you are being honestly ignorant as opposed to wilfully ignorant.

Alas it will be all to apparent once Putin dies or is deposed just exactly how prevalent these type of groups are. Remember Iraq after Saddam? Thats going to seem like a day at the Zoo by comparison. Good luck.


I think you mistakenly assumed that I’m attacking your character instead of arguing against your actions. Big difference between the two.

As mentioned again by many posters here, nobody is denying that far right exist in Russia. They exist everywhere, here is a piece of news about Dutch / German Neo Nazi meetin yesterday: https://nltimes.nl/2024/10/07/dutch-found-german-police-raid-neonazi-martial-arts-event

Trouble only starts when racial hatred, segregation and suppression of everyone deemed unworthy becomes institutionalized and unelected men in khakis start deciding foreign policy and domestic policy of the whole country excluding the will of the people.

You are actually raising a valid point - there is no guarantee that person that will succeed Putin if he is violently overthrown will be more cooperative with the West and will not be a hard-liner like eg late Prigozhin.
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Quote (Malopox @ Oct 7 2024 10:58am)
I think you mistakenly assumed that I’m attacking your character instead of arguing against your actions. Big difference between the two.

As mentioned again by many posters here, nobody is denying that far right exist in Russia. They exist everywhere, here is a piece of news about Dutch / German Neo Nazi meetin yesterday: https://nltimes.nl/2024/10/07/dutch-found-german-police-raid-neonazi-martial-arts-event

Trouble only starts when racial hatred, segregation and suppression of everyone deemed unworthy becomes institutionalized and unelected men in khakis start deciding foreign policy and domestic policy of the whole country excluding the will of the people.

You are actually raising a valid point - there is no guarantee that person that will succeed Putin if he is violently overthrown will be more cooperative with the West and will not be a hard-liner like eg late Prigozhin.


"So you did get delusional? You are losing it and should probably consider dodging before it gets too humiliating."
I don't think it was a mistake. Just stand by your own actions, if you want to attack me personally then don't deny it literally a post later. It chips anyway at any remaining integrity to be disingenuous about posts literally on the same page.
Alas I'm not too concerned.

You and others absolutely deny the extent of Russia's massive issue with ultranational and neo-nazi groups. Wagner was literally an arm of the Russian military in everything except name. Nobody is fooled.
That is just one well known militia. That doesn't even scrap the surface of societal neo-nazi groups, and even state funded ultranationalist youth programs.

Constantly spouting "Azov are Nazis because they have swastika tattoos" might be sufficient to mitigate the extent of Russias problem in your mind, but it doesn't wash with anyone able to look at it objectively. Russia is not a normal case of ultra nationalism; Putin has created a system more akin to the Third Reich than any system in any (allegedly) developed country since.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 7 Oct 2024 12:35)
"So you did get delusional? You are losing it and should probably consider dodging before it gets too humiliating."
I don't think it was a mistake. Just stand by your own actions, if you want to attack me personally then don't deny it literally a post later. It chips anyway at any remaining integrity to be disingenuous about posts literally on the same page.
Alas I'm not too concerned.

You and others absolutely deny the extent of Russia's massive issue with ultranational and neo-nazi groups. Wagner was literally an arm of the Russian military in everything except name. Nobody is fooled.
That is just one well known militia. That doesn't even scrap the surface of societal neo-nazi groups, and even state funded ultranationalist youth programs.

Constantly spouting "Azov are Nazis because they have swastika tattoos" might be sufficient to mitigate the extent of Russias problem in your mind, but it doesn't wash with anyone able to look at it objectively. Russia is not a normal case of ultra nationalism; Putin has created a system more akin to the Third Reich than any system in any (allegedly) developed country since.


In a hissy fit of a rage fueled knee-jerk reaction you have posted a link to a Russian cyclist instead of some obscure Russian nationalist that has died in Ukraine.

This is quite exemplary of “delusions” and “losing it”. Own it.

Azov are not the only Nazis in Ukraine, enough research has been done and the most notorious actors of Maidan Massacre have been identified. The problem as outlined above is in the institutionalization of racist policies denying people an ability to speak their language, educate their children in the language of their ancestors or even the right to live in areas they have lived for hundreds of years because they do not support an overthrow of a democratically elected government in 2014.

Ukraine had a decent settlement agreement on the table that could have ended it all relatively early, saving faces both for Russian and Ukranian leadership. Instead Boris Johnson took it upon himself personally to derail Istanbul peace talks in March 2022 and the rest is now history. I’m sure he would one day write a best selling memoire about his days of realpolitics of 2020s and we will all read them and laugh at how much of a pathetic human being he was.

P.S:
It's hard to ignore someone who is so dedicated to being wrong. i doubt I can change your mind but it's beneficial for anyone reading through the thread to see pushback against your nonsense.

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 7 2024 05:17am
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 7 2024 10:08am)

Why are you so invested in downplaying Russias neo-nazi problem?


lmao

Who's downplaying nazi problems in Ukraine where senior commanders openly flaunt Bandera flags, portraits and busts



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