If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Complaining that allies supported Ukraine with fractions of their budgets is the funniest, weakest shit ever.

"boohoo stop supporting those Nazi Ukrainiansss, thats not fair"

Imagine for one second that China jumps in and they ship a couple hundred billion in military aid and we'll see who's going boohoohoohooo

lol it’s laughable to compare the two. Ukraine is fully reliant on western aid and would have imploded within a year without, while Russia basically supplements their arsenal from those two. You really think this is comparable in scale?

Most of those points are of economic, rather than military nature.

Regarding the ruble: the ruble has lost 15% of its value against the euro or us dollar over the past 2 months, but it's too early to tell whether this is just a fluctuation or a persistent trend. Comparing with the exchange rate from before the invasion, the ruble has also only lost around 15%, which really isn't too bad considering the circumstances. That's less than what the Japanese Yen has lost over the same time frame, to name just one example.

The national wealth fund was specifically designed for a situation like this, the money would otherwise have sat around. It's not like Putin and the oligarchs would otherwise have used that money to improve the lives of ordinary Russians, lmao. Likewise, the soviet-era stockpiles of artillery, shells and tanks had no other benefit than being put to use in a war. The casualties are heavily skewed toward the dregs of Russian society, mostly low education and low productivity males from the periphery, convicts, mercenaries and so on and forth.

Aside from alienating the most solvent buyers of their gas, Russia hasn't sustained devastating damage just yet. Things might look very different in a couple of months if their economy truly overheats and the decline of the ruble becomes a persistent trend. Which brings me back to the previous point: this is a race against time for both sides and I have no clue if the Ukrainian or Russian clock will be up first.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 1 2024 10:23am

I was talking about the scope of the military aid (or aid for military production), rather than generic economic aid. Of course the country which is being invaded, which sees its infrastructure destroyed, its economy crippled and 10m of its people driven out of the country, will be in rougher shape than the invader.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 1 2024 10:28am

Militarily the case is potentially the worst of all.
Assault on Kiev, failed. Assault on Odessa, failed. Capture and hold Kharkiv, no. Hold Kherson, no.
Masses of intelligence on tactics and systems, scores of generals killed, regular and experienced troops slaughtered replaced by renta-troops and conscripts.
Shoigu has been found out and replaced. Sales of Russian military tech are drying up as they shift to producing material solely for the war effort.

The glimmers of anything militarily positive are essentially nothing burgers, that were inevitable or already known factors.
Russia has more artillery than the poorest country in Europe, that's obvious.
The Russian air force can use glide bombs against an adversary that had essentially zero AA before the war began, of course they can, that's obvious.

The Russian military is wholly and undisputedly discredited by its performance in Ukraine, regardless of any territorial gains.
Russias military reputation is in complete tatters.

"but Ukraine is wrecked" Doesn't even come close to mitigating the decades of shame Russians will endure for Putins colossal blunder.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 1 2024 10:34am

Russia has lost more than 11 times of confirmed dead in the Ukraine invasion than the US did in the entire 2 decades of the WOT.

So when they try telling you that the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was a complete catastrophe but the Russian invasion of Ukraine is going completely to plan,
then it would be best advised to note their obvious hypocrisy.

And yes, they know who they are.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 1 2024 11:09am

Complete fallacy post

1) Russia invasion force was tiny and got wrecked because they didn't have enough manpower, were overstretched and were picked off by Ukraine using Western AT weapons that were literally rushed in by the plane load.

2) The Russians have learned from their obvious mistakes and now have a large force on the ground in Ukraine, are dug in and operate under an umbrella of EW as much as they can before they advance further which is the only option because surveillance drones monitor everything 24/7.

3) The Ukrainian were able to kick the Russians out of certain areas because of the reason mentioned above (1), why don't the Ukrainians repeat that feat if it was so easy comrade? The great Ukrainian counteroffensive that was going to push all the way to Crimea failed miserably. Planned by NATO, equipped by NATO and trained by NATO by the way. What a complete disaster comrade

4) Decades of shame? Massive LOL comrade. This war will be decided on the battlefield and the outcome matters not the opening salvos. That you desperately try to make it sound the Russians will lose because of "shame" while they're grinding down not only Ukraine but the combined West and their allies is the biggest joke lmao. Afghanistan was bad for the West but the reputation loss because of Ukraine will be magnitudes greater. Next time pick another third world country for you bombing campaigns instead of a country that can fight back



Bombing a third world country from a safe distance most of the time, the casualties were mostly caused by some improvised explosives detonated on the side of the road or some lucky suicide bomber scoring a hit.

Go try that shit in Ukraine comrade and you'll learn a thing or two about taking casualties. Oh wait you already did. How many NATO personnel and volunteers were taken out by Iskanders so far?

Inb4 another dodge