Horribly dishonest and you are not even embarrassed.

Some people really struggle with basic logic. There was no reason for a Russia-backed separatist movement (away from the Ukrainian Government) prior to 2014, because the ruling Government prior to 2014 was Pro Russian. It seems some people insist on calling people liars and being dishonest, purely as a tool to deflect away from their own flawed vision.

You literally just punked yourself
How can an allegedly Pro Russian Yanukovych government, in Russia's sphere of influence not already be under any influence of Russia?

Make your minds up.

Its just a coincidence that Russian separatists/ mercenaries and Russian influence existed in Moldova, Latvia, Georgia, Belarus and even Syria.
But Ukraine? No, never Ukraine. The region that Russia claims caused an existential war; They would never pursue separatism in Ukraine.

Shills.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 23 2024 10:05am

#1: You support Nazis
#2: You can't make a coherent argument for why Russia would want to support separatists in a country they already have as a pawn. Because that's blatantly illogical

I support Nazis? Quite a strong accusation, do elaborate or retract that claim.

Yanukovych was supposed to sign into law the closer ties with the EU, this would have affected Ukraine/Russia trade relations.
That sounds like a pro West government, not a country that was a pawn of Russia.
He flipped and reneged on that path choosing closer ties with Russia; You expect anyone to believe that had nothing to do with Kremlin subversion?

Do you expect anyone to believe Russia had zero interest in promoting separatism in Ukraine pre 2014?
You are more deluded than previously evidenced, if that is the case.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 23 2024 10:10am

Sure I submit this as evidence;
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119



And the world bank doesn't content itself with just imposing our will upon African nations, we have the EU pressuring its own member states with threats and coercion.
This is sovereign geopolitics 101. Every single world power does it to every other minor power, whether its a Belt and Road Initiative or natural gas pipelines.
Yanukovych was elected by the people of Ukraine and acted as he saw to their best interests within the bounds set by the world powers around him. If the people of Ukraine opposed his direction for the country, they could have voted against him.



I really wonder if you're capable of processing basic logical interactions between actors. Not just in geopolitics, but like in the grander lens of basic interpersonal interaction, following a story on tv, or just physics. If you throw a glass bauble out of a window, gravity will make it fall, and it will collide with the ground and shatter. Actors, forces, actions, consequences. If Russia already has Ukraine within its sphere of influence, it won't push the Ukrainian government out a window by promoting separatist movements that want to defenestrate them, because it has zero interest in shattering the country. People tend not to purposefully break things they own.
Russia had as much reason to promote separatism in Ukraine pre 2014 as it has to promote Yakut and Buryat separatist movements in Siberia. About as much reason as Putin has to wake up tomorrow and repeatedly punch himself in the face

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 23 2024 10:20am

If Russia truly saw itself in an existential struggle, they wouldn't have half-assed the initial invasion so badly. Or nonchalantly shrug off the 1300km of new NATO border they got from Finland's accession to the alliance.

Finland...

5.556 million

If China is ever going to invade Taiwan, they will do it in a half ass manner as well. I wonder why.

If China is being dragged into a war with Japan involved. It is probably going to last less than a month and that is being conservative. And no, they are not going to invade Japan.

Who cares about the population size of Finland?
Finland being a NATO member gives NATO the ability to mass troops or station missiles a mere 150km from St. Petersburg. For some strange reason, Russia doesn't seem concerned about that at all, yet we're supposed to believe that Ukraine becoming a NATO member was an existential threat to Russia?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 23 2024 10:44am

You can try or they can try. .
This is no longer 100 years ago.

Technology have shrunk Oceans.

yet we're supposed to believe that Ukraine becoming a NATO member was an existential threat to Russia?

It's called, you already surrounded us 80 to 90%, don't push too far.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Sep 23 2024 10:49am