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Sep 16 2024 11:02am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 16 2024 05:14pm)
And it took Russia 2.5 years to add less than 10% of Ukraine's territory (on top of what they already controlled pre-invasion), while NATO had conquered all of Afghanistan within 9 weeks. :rolleyes:


You act like you don't understand that Ukraine is being supported by all of NATO plus 20 odd NATO allies and that Afghanistan is a third world country that had nothing to stop the coalition other than guys on sandals sporting AKs and RPGs :rolleyes:
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Sep 16 2024 11:03am
Quote (El1te @ Sep 16 2024 12:20pm)
If we assume the Russian casualty numbers are accurate, and given the relative parity of military capability between the two belligerents coupled with neither side dominating the other, it's a safe assumption that Ukrainian casualties are roughly equal


It's near impossible to know but we've beat this horse to death with some well known facts:

-Vast majority of deaths in this war are due to artillery/drones.
-Russia has between 5-10 to 1 artillery advantage. Maybe Ukraine had a drone advantage for a few months early on but that's largely gone now, both sides use drones extensively.
-Russia, unlike Ukraine regularly carries out rear/logistic attacks well beyond just the front lines. There's monthly strikes on hotels, training centers & other target rich places. Strikes on the training center killing hundreds few weeks back have been happening for many months. Obviously not all are as impactful though.
-Russia is and has been advancing much more than Ukraine, typically the attacker will suffer more losses defenders will be entrenched and ready.
-Russia has an extensive spy network in Ukraine. There's a lot of friendly's in places like Odessa, Kharkov, across the Donbass, that easily and regularly give away high value coordinates.
-Ukraine has troop issues. Average age of soldiers is well over 40, and troops aren't rotated regularly from front lines. That leads to poor morale, fatigue and dissatisfaction with leadership. Russia uses contract soldiers, most of which are volunteers that were paid and so far have been more than enough to replenish numbers. They objectively have the numbers advantage.

All in all, i think between the higher fire power and regularly hitting the rear balances out pushing forward. It's really difficult to see how Ukraine would be mustering higher losses on Russia with all these things considered.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 16 2024 11:12am
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Sep 16 2024 11:04am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 16 2024 05:48pm)
So, zero troops killed?

We got there in the end, even if you can't utter the answer.



LOL

Define considerable number? 500k dead or wounded?

Oh and, LOL


NATO bombing another third world shithole and you acting like it's a major accomplishment LMAO

Two decades of occupation, two trillion spent and this is the end result :thumbsup:

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Quote (Djunior @ Sep 16 2024 01:04pm)
NATO bombing another third world shithole and you acting like it's a major accomplishment LMAO

Two decades of occupation, two trillion spent and this is the end result :thumbsup:

https://i.imgur.com/JI8cdr7.jpg


They will call you a conspiracy theorist for this picture. We never went to Afghanistan -People who will vote for Kamala and hate orange man and Putin.
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Sep 16 2024 11:50am
Quote (Djunior @ 16 Sep 2024 19:02)
You act like you don't understand that Ukraine is being supported by all of NATO plus 20 odd NATO allies and that Afghanistan is a third world country that had nothing to stop the coalition other than guys on sandals sporting AKs and RPGs :rolleyes:


I understand it, which was my point: Russia had taken on a much heavier lift in Ukraine than NATO did in Afghanistan, and accordingly made much slower progress. Considering the circumstances, I don't see a huge difference in their performances, relative to the strength of the resistance faced. Which is the opposite of what zorzin wrote, namely that NATO failed miserably where Russia succeeded.

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935 days into the expected few weeks of Russia's calamitous invasion.
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Sep 16 2024 12:28pm
Day 5K something of Ukraine will join NATO, the West's most disastrous foreign policy project ever.
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Sep 16 2024 12:29pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 16 2024 02:06pm)
935 days into the expected few weeks of Russia's calamitous invasion.


Why do you guys focus on that so much? Yes they were wrong and? Why does it bother you so much? They're still winning the war. Should we talk bout the facts we spent 20 years in the middle east when it was supposed to be a quick in and out to fight ''WMD'' after costing us trillions ?
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Quote (iLoveMyUsername @ Sep 16 2024 07:29pm)
Why do you guys focus on that so much? Yes they were wrong and? Why does it bother you so much? They're still winning the war. Should we talk bout the facts we spent 20 years in the middle east when it was supposed to be a quick in and out to fight ''WMD'' after costing us trillions ?


You seem bothered.
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Quote (iLoveMyUsername @ Sep 16 2024 02:29pm)
Why do you guys focus on that so much? Yes they were wrong and? Why does it bother you so much? They're still winning the war. Should we talk bout the facts we spent 20 years in the middle east when it was supposed to be a quick in and out to fight ''WMD'' after costing us trillions ?


Iraq and Afghanistan are some of the worst geopolitical decisions ever for this nation. Literally spent like 10 trillion dollars (if you throw Syria in there too) to only end up with the Taliban still in charge and an Iraqi government that's mostly pro-Iran. Oh, and hundreds of thousands flooding into Europe for our 'allies' to take care of on the backs of their social safety nets. If this war ends soon and Russia ends up with all this land, at least they'll have something to show for their war. Wtf do we got, debt and "mission accomplished" as more habibis want death to America more than ever before?

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