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Sep 7 2024 06:51am
Quote (Mondain @ 7 Sep 2024 14:50)
bingo, nailed it.

The thing is... maybe there is no answer, is no solution? Just like horses and swords became irrelevant in warfare, maybe the age of tanks, big ships and so on is simply over?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 7 2024 12:51pm)
The thing is... maybe there is no answer, is no solution? Just like horses and swords became irrelevant in warfare, maybe the age of tanks, big ships and so on is simply over?


Including foot soldiers, 1 drone can survey an area over 10x more effectively than a human soldier or a group of soldiers.
This is why soldiers are being deployed with drones now. They can fly in and out of buildings, around and over walls and report all that back to the soldiers in real time.
Even just flying a jet cost more than a drone and tablet is worth.

The military still need big guns for escalation deterrence, for example how the USA moved war ships near Israel to deter Iran.
Drones don't help if a barrage of death is bring rained down on you. From air, sea and land.
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Sep 7 2024 11:03am
Quote (zorzin @ Sep 7 2024 04:26am)
Im glad the west has pushed Russia into warpspeed R/D. This war has shown to both sides what works and what doesnt; the Russians seem to be doubling down on what works:

In terms of its characteristics and purpose, this missile can be compared to the Western Storm Shadow / SCALP and Taurus missiles. Channel 24 explains what it is, why the Kh-69 is called the "Russian square missile", and what danger it poses.
https://24tv.ua/ru/raketa-h-69-harakteristiki-cena-dalnost-i-skorost-rossijskogo-oruzhija-24-kanal_n2534210


War is the best time to be an armaments engineer or scientist

You get funding out the wazoo and get to design build and test everything to your wildest dreams

Another cynical reason that alot of people want war, the explosion in technology over 6 short years of WWII was incredible
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Sep 7 2024 11:13am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 7 2024 05:34am)
This war is providing both sides with invaluable insight and intel on modern warfare in the age of drones. The West could have been really caught with its pants down if this "drone revolution" had occured in a more high-stakes conflict.
Now, it is time to find solutions or answers for the way cheap drones invalidate expensive tanks, ships and helicopters.


It could have been very interesting for America if it were a more high stakes conflict - similar to how Germany caught Britain and France with their pants down in 1939, they invalidated the "conventional" warfare at the time with blitzkrieg technology and tactics, while Britain and France never adapted and got rolled. Britain had to pump out cheap STENs to hold on, before America saved both of them with their technological and industrial might. The M4 Sherman was an equalizer and absolute game changer

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Even cnn is starting to see Ukraines bleak future:

Outgunned and outnumbered, Ukraine’s military is struggling with low morale and desertion
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/08/europe/ukraine-military-morale-desertion-intl-cmd/index.html

Im not trying to dog-pile on Ukraine with doomposting but this is currently the reality on the front and western msm cant ignore it any longer. Is this article accurate or is it an overreaction?
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Quote (zorzin @ Sep 8 2024 05:56am)
Even cnn is starting to see Ukraines bleak future:

Outgunned and outnumbered, Ukraine’s military is struggling with low morale and desertion
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/08/europe/ukraine-military-morale-desertion-intl-cmd/index.html

Im not trying to dog-pile on Ukraine with doomposting but this is currently the reality on the front and western msm cant ignore it any longer. Is this article accurate or is it an overreaction?


Well it wouldn't be an overreaction coming out of CNN, it's accurate, they don't have the men and they don't have the materiel to keep up a war of attrition against Russia of all places. US and other NATO country citizens don't have the will to go fight a hot brutal war and the USA is running on empty, we're all broke, they can't just print money into oblivion, and Western Europe is literally irrelevant.
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Quote (El1te @ Sep 7 2024 06:13pm)
It could have been very interesting for America if it were a more high stakes conflict - similar to how Germany caught Britain and France with their pants down in 1939, they invalidated the "conventional" warfare at the time with blitzkrieg technology and tactics, while Britain and France never adapted and got rolled. Britain had to pump out cheap STENs to hold on, before America saved both of them with their technological and industrial might. The M4 Sherman was an equalizer and absolute game changer


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain - 10 July – 31 October 1940

This air battle prevented Germany from ever being able to fully defeat or invade Britain. Was fought by mainly British and commonwealth pilots, including many Poles and Czechs
"Countries including New Zealand, Australia, Canada, South Africa, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), Belgium, France, Poland and Czechoslovakia."
This was before the US sent any substantial aid other than obsolete destroyers, before lend lease was enacted and well before the US joined the war after pearl harbor.

"On September 2, 1940, President Roosevelt signed a “Destroyers for Bases” agreement. Under the terms of the agreement, the United States gave the British more than 50 obsolete destroyers,
in exchange for 99-year leases to territory in Newfoundland and the Caribbean"

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain - 10 July – 31 October 1940

This air battle prevented Germany from ever being able to fully defeat or invade Britain. Was fought by mainly British and commonwealth pilots, including many Poles and Czechs
"Countries including New Zealand, Australia, Canada, South Africa, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), Belgium, France, Poland and Czechoslovakia."
This was before the US sent any substantial aid other than obsolete destroyers, before lend lease was enacted and well before the US joined the war after pearl harbor.

"On September 2, 1940, President Roosevelt signed a “Destroyers for Bases” agreement. Under the terms of the agreement, the United States gave the British more than 50 obsolete destroyers,
in exchange for 99-year leases to territory in Newfoundland and the Caribbean"


The Battle of Britain was an amazing display of fortitude which repelled the initial German assault.

However, if Britain was not an island, we would have been cooked. Due to this virtue, Germany was only able to conduct stage 1 of the blitzkrieg tactic which was an all out aerial assault. We were not as prepared as we could have been but we managed to repel them. However, if the US had not intervened later there is no doubt that Germany would have been able to enact Operation Sea Lion & take Britain. Britain's pants were down further than France's were, and France fell nigh-immediately to the blitzkrieg assault. But, while France was more prepared, they lacked the will to fight. We instead were less prepared but had a strong will to fight. Germany did not have enough time to plan, supply & enact Operation Sea Lion before the Japanese royally screwed them by attacking Pearl Harbour. American industrial might was of course crucial for a successful Operation Overlord.
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Sep 9 2024 03:05pm
Quote (El1te @ Sep 7 2024 12:03pm)
War is the best time to be an armaments engineer or scientist

You get funding out the wazoo and get to design build and test everything to your wildest dreams

Another cynical reason that alot of people want war, the explosion in technology over 6 short years of WWII was incredible


It's a straight up scam, what is needed is cost effective, mass produced weapons systems, which the United States does not have.
That's why Russia is able to bomb the hell out of Ukraine and the best the west can do is give them a rain check for some anti air missiles next year.
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Sep 9 2024 03:09pm
Quote (PapaPsych @ Sep 9 2024 02:05pm)
It's a straight up scam, what is needed is cost effective, mass produced weapons systems, which the United States does not have.
That's why Russia is able to bomb the hell out of Ukraine and the best the west can do is give them a rain check for some anti air missiles next year.


USA industry has been gutted so it makes sense that Russia has an advantage in raw production power, they never got rid of their WWII-era rail supply & production system
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