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Apr 12 2022 02:02pm
Quote (Ognadibik @ Apr 12 2022 01:34pm)
You have gotten everything wrong, literally almost everything

You said things like:
3 days until they encircle kyiv and everyone inside dies etc


Russia is winning the war.

Russia has almost cleared out Mariupol.

Russia has got 60-80 thousand Ukrainians surrounded near Donbass that will be wiped out.

These statements are all true. Thing is, you wouldn't believe them because all you listen to is the legacy Ziomedia. Therefore you are not a good judge of what I've gotten "wrong" or not.
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Apr 12 2022 02:04pm
Quote (IchBinDaddy @ Apr 12 2022 01:32pm)
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Taking requests for customized memes that aren’t complete dog shit ty ty

Are for free if it’s specific to chopdix


I truly feel honored that I've triggered you so badly that now you're resorting to making memes in place of any coherent argument.

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Apr 12 2022 02:12pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 12 Apr 2022 15:04)
I truly feel honored that I've triggered you so badly that now you're resorting to making memes in place of any coherent argument.



You just dodge everything, project your insecurities, and peddle russian propaganda.
This is way more fun for someone like you. <3
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Apr 12 2022 02:13pm
Quote (IchBinDaddy @ Apr 12 2022 02:12pm)
You just dodge everything, project your insecurities, and peddle russian propaganda.
This is way more fun for someone like you. <3


Lol, you see one guy who isn't jumping on the "fuck Russia" propaganda bandwagon and you basically went apeshit over it, but now I'm the one projecting.

You're hilarious.
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Apr 12 2022 02:15pm
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 12 2022 08:19pm)
Banderites to be precise. This is an RT term. However all the Ukrainian media are pulling propaganda. Guess why.


what thesnipa said.
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Apr 12 2022 02:22pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 12 2022 01:30pm)
nothing wrong with saying both sides are pushing propaganda, very silly tho to say only one side is.

i asked chop to say one thing that Russia lied about, he didnt say a single example.


The only thing that maybe Russia lied about was that they had no intentions to invade. But it is questionable if that could actually be construed as a lie if the people making those statements were not aware of plans to invade.

What else have they lied about in relation to the Ukraine war - specifically after the invasion?

Can you name even one thing?

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Apr 12 2022 02:26pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 12 2022 03:22pm)
The only thing that maybe Russia lied about was that they had no intentions to invade. But it is questionable if that could actually be construed as a lie if the people making those statements were not aware of plans to invade.

What else have they lied about in relation to the Ukraine war - specifically after the invasion?

Can you name even one thing?


so this is the first war in history where only one side uses propaganda?

and MAYBE, MAAAAAAAAYBE, amassing troops on the border before the invasion was in preparation for the invasion that followed.

at some point you're going to realize that being a paid russian troll is less sad than being an actual person who thinks this level of absurdity is reality. but sure, go ahead and strawman me as if i trust everything the media and Ukraine say, do that, be predictable.
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Apr 12 2022 02:41pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 12 2022 02:26pm)
so this is the first war in history where only one side uses propaganda?

and MAYBE, MAAAAAAAAYBE, amassing troops on the border before the invasion was in preparation for the invasion that followed.

at some point you're going to realize that being a paid russian troll is less sad than being an actual person who thinks this level of absurdity is reality. but sure, go ahead and strawman me as if i trust everything the media and Ukraine say, do that, be predictable.


I am not saying Russia doesn't do propaganda *at all.* However, the intensity of theirs can't be compared to the legacy media which is in direct cahoots with the CIA and even goes so far as to co-ordinate psyops directly with the Ukrainian government.

That said, I legitimately can't think of any lies that came from the Russian government or affiliated media about how the war is going for them in Ukraine, or of any individual occurrences in Ukraine that they've made up.

When you're dealing with Nazi's, anytime they are accused of warcrimes it is not an unbelievable thing. I have seen evidence of their warcrimes going back to 2014. There is nothing that is not too depraved for them to engage in.
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Apr 12 2022 02:46pm
Solid piece put out by Ray Dalio in his newsletter. Read the whole thing if you have some time, here are some highlights though

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The External Conflict

To me the Russia-Ukraine-US-other-countries dynamic is the most attention-grabbing part of the changing world order dynamic that is underway, but it is essentially just the first battle in what will be a long war for control of the world order. It is a very important battle because it will tell us 1) if Putin and Russia win or lose this first battle, 2) how powerful a weapon the American-led sanctions are, and 3) how other nations will align with either side or remain neutral. After we see these things, we will then begin to get clues of what the reactions to them will be—i.e., what will the US, its European allies, and Putin do if a) Putin and Russia win this battle or lose it, b) if the sanctions are or aren’t as effective as needed, and/or c) if China and other opposing countries don’t cooperate? I’d expect that we will see the answers to the first set of questions in the next few weeks.

How can we tell if Putin and Russia win or lose this battle? If Putin and Russia a) get tangible assurances that Ukraine is incapable of being a threat to Russia along with the de facto independence of or Russian control over the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk, with b) sanctions on Russia that are tolerable, and c) Putin remains in power, then he will have gotten what he wanted at an acceptable cost, and hence it should be scored as his win. If not, it should be scored as his loss. Once we find this out, we will see what comes next, most importantly what Putin will do if faced with a loss. Will he raise the stakes (almost certainly) and what would that be like (very scary)?
How can we tell how powerful American-led sanctions are? If they lead to the desired results of a) winning the battle with Russia and b) having other countries fall in line in following them to achieve this goal, and they do so without the weaponization of the capital markets doing the United States more harm than good, then the sanctions will prove to be very powerful. If not, they will prove to be inadequate. Then we will see what comes next. If they prove themselves to be adequate weapons, we will see some countries (e.g., Russia) raise the stakes and fight using other weapons, and we will see others knuckle under. If they are not effective, we will risk seeing America lose its most unique and greatest power—its control over the world’s reserve currency and capital markets system—as others increasingly escape it. This a real big deal for the power of the United States and the power of the dollar. Without a strong sanctions power, the United States doesn’t have any unique powers relative to the opposition, though it would still have rough power parity with the other powerful countries. That leaves both sides, and a number of countries on each side, with just the power to inflict devastating destruction on the other side militarily. Given how many countries there are that have that power (i.e., how many have nuclear weapons) and given how the sides are lining up, this set of conditions looks frighteningly like those that existed before World War I except the destructive powers are much more “advanced.” That is a scary picture.
How can we tell how the sides are lining up? That is easy to see by watching their actions. As explained and shown in this earlier post, I am keeping a record of indicators to show how the sides are lining up. It is shown in the table below and will be revised as events transpire. For example, how countries line up around whether Putin can attend the G20 meeting will be an obvious big indicator. A split in which the 20 countries choose to not get together would also be a demonstrable statement that we are past the point of working together to resolve issues in an attempt to have a more unified world order and are on to the opposing sides squaring off for a war.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-can-we-tell-first-battle-long-war-control-world-order-ray-dalio/?trackingId=T0Kw7BxaSBCSdlr4C1X7YQ%3D%3D
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Apr 12 2022 02:47pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 12 Apr 2022 15:13)
Lol, you see one guy who isn't jumping on the "fuck Russia" propaganda bandwagon and you basically went apeshit over it, but now I'm the one projecting.

You're hilarious.



Nah bro you’re projecting your Kremlin bandwagonism again.

You still haven’t gotten back to me about toilet seats.

Because you’re constantly full of shit.

Are you a toilet seat?

This post was edited by IchBinDaddy on Apr 12 2022 02:47pm
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