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Sep 3 2024 02:33pm
Quote (El1te @ Sep 3 2024 03:45pm)
- There isn't much of a difference between these two views. Russian soldiers are lawful combatants, and are not paramilitary or militia. The army is an extension of the civilian state and is accountable to civilian leadership. Besides, this is just false propaganda (their soldiers bad and are war criminals, our side good angels dindu nuffin), and there's plenty more evidence that the Ukrainian side is worse. There are always bad apples who torture & pillage in war, this is nothing new, and every single side ever in the history of warfare is guilty of it.

-It doesn't automatically imply it, but it is strong evidence that they are wrong on every other issue as well. If they lie to you about point A, it is irrational to believe that they won't lie to you about point B. And yeah I don't see the propaganda from the Kremlin because my country banned all Russian media, I don't look at or consume any Russian media.

- Their cultural achievements DOES make their Imperialism better!! How is that absurd? The moral justification for Imperialism is founded upon the inherent moral superiority of the Imperial state, such that their subjects have better lives. This is why British Imperialism was just, Roman Imperialism was just, Spanish Imperialism was just, French Imperialism was just. I guess this is a really big divide in our ideologies, I'm more of a classical right winger who believes in intrinsic morals.

- This again is really just propaganda. They haven't been a big nasty bully, they have defended themselves and their people like every other powerful nation state has. I mean by this logic, what is Germany? Not caring about religion & ethnicity I guess is a divide in our values, I view religion as the wellspring from which all culture flows.

- I do deny their "sovereign" right, because it is an illusion. Are we just supposed to forget that the democratically elected president of Ukraine, who was pro-Russia, was ousted in a violent USA-backed coup and had to flee for his life?

- The same "pretense" used for every war in the history of war. Defending your people makes you a good guy in my eyes.. of course, the other guy will see them as a bad guy, as is nature. NOT defending your people if they were being systemically slaughtered and ethnically cleansed (you know, happening in the UK and Germany as we speak....) makes you a very bad guy, and a traitor to your own people.


Christ almighty, next you'll want germany to be split in half



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Sep 3 2024 02:47pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 3 2024 01:33pm)
Christ almighty, next you'll want germany to be split in half

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBMeMrPuQyU


Posting a satirical and humourous Simpsons clip isn't a serious argument

Do you unironically believe the propaganda coming from the very same people who are flooding our country with hostile immigrants? Irrational, your hatred of Russia has left you blind in one eye, you'll come around.
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Sep 3 2024 02:55pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 3 2024 01:21pm)
Many populous countries have produced both strong works of art and contributed strongly to human development. Don't forget that Russia for a long time was the USSR and was an absolute behemoth when it comes to things like math, science, chemistry, etc. Prior to that they do have a relatively rich culture. IMO as some have already said, some of their writers & other arts are on par with western large nations. It's hard to truly rank though. I do think countries like UK, France, Germany, US, have an edge but that could be argued as subjective.

They've had a pretty significant amount of Nobel laureates (a number that's actually artificially deflated as many 'born in Soviet union' or pre-commie imperial Russia are attributed to Poland and other sovereign as they emigrated eventually or became their own countries) which to me is a really good indicator of impact and high contribution to the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country#Russia_and_Soviet_Union

Overall though, it's really difficult to say that they are head and shoulders more brutal/evil/whatever than for example the US or what the Germans did to the Jews or Japan did to China/Korea. That's a lot of western centrism. It's not grounded in fair logic. How are you going to label Ukraine war so much more brutal while the US and allied countries have so destroyed and killed so many in places like Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen over the last 25 years. It's dishonest, western-centrism. A fair person questions why our soldiers killing backwater towel heads that were armed with only AKs as we're running strafing runs/drones are called heroes to be saluted and glorified, while Russian soldiers fighting in their war are to be viewed as sub-human orcs?


Well said. Russian chemists in particular are a wild and brilliant bunch, there tends to be alot of Eastern European Russian-speaking postdocs in our universities here. Mad respect.

Russian has historically been on-par with the other European powers in terms of development, each of these nations tended to excel at certain things. French excellence was unparalleled, British practicality and shrewdness conquered near the entire world, German precision & artistic spirit created the best works of classical music and essentially invented modern medicine & organic chemistry as a discipline. Germans and Russians were very closely knit, I mean it was literally called Prussia!

The United States is the prime superpower because they managed to synthesize the various strengths of all these different European nations, mainly British German and French.

It's absolutely bigoted Western-centric viewpoints that turn a blind eye to the moral failings of their own people. Germans of all people should recognize this

This post was edited by El1te on Sep 3 2024 02:56pm
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Sep 3 2024 03:31pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/us/activists-russian-propaganda-florida-trial.html

Hoover era FBI back in force

Four members of the African People's Socialist Party, Uhuru Movement and Black Hammer are going to trial on FARA charges
The federal government charges them with being unregistered foreign agents of Russia for expressing their own pro-Russian views, without any direction or payment from official Russian government entities. Rather, they allege the group had met with a private Russian citizen Aleksandr Ionov, who had encouraged their political campaigns and pro-Russian views. The government alleges Ionov worked 'with' the FSB- not that he is a member of the FSB- nor evidence they believed him to be a Russian official. The defense for the accused, including an 82 year old black activist, say their free speech is being criminalized and persecuted, that they were reimbursed for travel to events by a private individual and given designs for protest signs


This is some of that wild Merrick Garland bullshit that will go down like the time McCarthyites tried to lock up an 81 year old WEB Du Bois for writing antiwar literature and got defended in court by Albert Einstein
Even by the governments own allegation, these guys never worked directly for the Russian government, nor thought there was any nexus to the Russian government. They want to imprison them for 10 years on charges of "The FSB paid a guy who paid these guys who said pro-Russian stuff"
Free speech is being fully rolled back in America to beyond the red scare days
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Sep 3 2024 05:58pm
So a lot of senior resignations. My bet is they feel the winds of change and having now secured their bag are probably going to end up in Monaco, south Florida or Spain.


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KYIV: At least six Ukrainian officials including cabinet ministers submitted their resignation on Tuesday and a presidential aide was dismissed, as the ruling party signalled a major government reshuffle was underway.

“As promised, a major government reset can be expected this week. More than 50 percent of the Cabinet of Ministers’ staff will be changed. Tomorrow we will have a day of dismissals, and the day after that a day of appointments,” David Arakhamia, the head of the ruling Servant of the People party’s parliamentary faction wrote on Telegram.


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Sep 4 2024 02:01am


Instead of arresting Putin when he visited, Mongolia rolled out the red carpet and stated they gonna expend relations with Russia.

Ukraine and the EU coping hard, lol. That sad, sad tone of the DW reporter cracked me up lmao

@7:00 that clown wants action taken against Mongolia because "these arrest warrants matter and cannot be defied without consequences"

Except when it's arrest warrants issued for Israeli war criminals of course, top level hypocrisy on display once again lmfao

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Sep 4 2024 02:18am
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 4 2024 08:01am)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25lYv2l_4c

Instead of arresting Putin when he visited, Mongolia rolled out the red carpet and stated they gonna expend relations with Russia.

Ukraine and the EU coping hard, lol. That sad, sad tone of the DW reporter cracked me up lmao

@7:00 that clown wants action taken against Mongolia because "these arrest warrants matter and cannot be defied without consequences"


Mongolia has had ties with Russia for a seriously long time.
If you asked most people where Mongolia is on a map they wouldn't have a clue.

It's between Russia & China, It's a communist playground.
Just look at their capital city, it's like something from a soviet union post card.

I'm not shocked they welcomed Putin freely.

This post was edited by Mondain on Sep 4 2024 02:19am
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Sep 4 2024 02:43am
Quote (Mondain @ Sep 4 2024 10:18am)
Mongolia has had ties with Russia for a seriously long time.
If you asked most people where Mongolia is on a map they wouldn't have a clue.

It's between Russia & China, It's a communist playground.
Just look at their capital city, it's like something from a soviet union post card.

I'm not shocked they welcomed Putin freely.


Mongolia is a member of the ICC.

But when the West states that "ICC arrest warrants for Israelis have no jurisdiction" then other countries will judge in a similar manner ^^

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Sep 4 2024 03:25am
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 4 2024 08:43am)
Mongolia is a member of the ICC.

But when the West states that "ICC arrest warrants for Israelis have no jurisdiction" then other countries will judge in a similar manner ^^


You keep off topic posting about Israel.
Here is the thread for that discussion, https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119
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Sep 4 2024 05:59am
Quote (Mondain @ Sep 4 2024 11:25am)
You keep off topic posting about Israel.
Here is the thread for that discussion, https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119


It's NOT off topic, I'm comparing the West's attitude to Putin's ICC arrest warrants vs Netanyahu's ICC arrest warrant.

I don't know how you failed to get that :wacko:
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