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Aug 31 2024 01:14am
Quote (El1te @ 30 Aug 2024 22:03)
They couldn't stop right now, without first dismantling the present illegitimate regime. When we invaded Germany, we didn't stop at the Treaty of Versailles borders, we went in to dismantle the regime. This seems pretty clear to me.

This is the third time that the Western host has attempted to invade and subjugate Russia. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the 3rd invasion began. They don't hold any illusions about intentions from our side: the intention is to eradicate the Russian culture, a genocide. You can't just ignore the awful and abhorrent rhetoric against Vladimir Putin, the democratically elected Russian President. The rhetoric used against him is the rhetoric of conquest - "he's an evil dictator and must be stopped, Russia must be deputinified!" France tried, then Germany tried, now the USA & Western Europe under the NATO banner is trying, and failing for a 3rd time. To discuss this war without first acknowledging the aggressive expansion of NATO into Russian territory is disingenuous. I personally think we should leave Russia alone, engage in mutually beneficial trade & exchange of culture, be happy that the Soviet Union collapsed and be happy that Russia is making a genuine effort to rebuild their nation and Christian identity.

To state the obvious, an occupation of Ukraine is necessary to reform the country within the bounds of Russian Imperial law after a cease of hostilities, like every other war that ever ended in history. US troops are still occupying many nations today, 80 years later. The Russian people are not blind to the hypocrisy.


How exactly has the West 'invaded' Russia? And how exactly do you come to the conclusion that the West wants to eradicate Russian culture?
Putin is a murderous dictator who has brought war and misery to millions of people, some harsh rhetoric directed his way is only fair.

And where/when did NATO expand into Russian territory? :lol: If anything, it expanded into the territory of sovereign nations which had formerly been under Russian rule. Which is the exact reason why they couldn't wait to get under NATO's protective umbrella... But judging by the way you talk about subjecting Ukraine to "Russian imperial law", it seems kinda obvious that you somehow consider the dissolution of the Soviet Union to be illicit and Russia to still be legally and morally entitled to rule over its former empire. :rolleyes:

Calling Russian soldiers orcs and such is a direct consequence of their invasion of Ukraine. If their troops hadn't needlessly invaded a sovereign nation and began committing war crimes against its civilian population, this rhetoric wouldn't exist. And even then, most commentators are still and well able to distinguish between Russian soldiers committing atrocities and Russia's civilian population.

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Aug 31 2024 01:42am
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How exactly has the West 'invaded' Russia? And how exactly do you come to the conclusion that the West wants to eradicate Russian culture?
Putin is a murderous dictator who has brought war and misery to millions of people, some harsh rhetoric directed his way is only fair.

And where/when did NATO expand into Russian territory? :lol: If anything, it expanded into the territory of sovereign nations which had formerly been under Russian rule. Which is the exact reason why they couldn't wait to get under NATO's protective umbrella... But judging by the way you talk about subjecting Ukraine to "Russian imperial law", it seems kinda obvious that you somehow consider the dissolution of the Soviet Union to be illicit and Russia to still be legally and morally entitled to rule over its former empire. :rolleyes:

Calling Russian soldiers orcs and such is a direct consequence of their invasion of Ukraine. If their troops hadn't needlessly invaded a sovereign nation and began committing war crimes against its civilian population, this rhetoric wouldn't exist. And even then, most commentators are still and well able to distinguish between Russian soldiers committing atrocities and Russia's civilian population.


This war is 100% to blame on NATO expanding into Ukraine.

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Aug 31 2024 01:56am
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This war is 100% to blame on NATO expanding into Ukraine.

Geo-politics

We've been over this debate time and time again and simply disagree on it.

You can argue that NATO should have rejected their bids to join, along the lines of "we know you want it, but you better don't provoke the Russian bear next door" or something like that. I personally disagree, but it's an argument that can be made. What is not up for debate, however, is that NATO did not expand into RUSSIAN territory. Those were sovereign nations joining NATO out of their own volition.

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Aug 31 2024 03:27am
Quote (El1te @ Aug 30 2024 03:19pm)
To add, the genocidal rhetoric against Russia doesn't end with Putin, you can witness yourself in this thread the abhorrent rhetoric against the Russian people. They call them orcs and gleefully share and watch videos of Ukrainian torture & war crimes against lawful Russian combatants and civilians. And you say genocide isn't the intention, that that notion is absurd? That's bizarre to me


Russians have earned their titles from historical aggressive actions on neighbors. Worse they are proud of this based on deluded revisionist history like Putin was spewing around startup conditions of WWII and blaming Polish who indeed faced genocide. Given the shit happening on the Polish borders, f those Orcs and their Chinese Goblins

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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Aug 31 2024 05:27am)
Russians have earned their titles from historical aggressive actions on neighbors. Worse they are proud of this based on deluded revisionist history like Putin was spewing around startup conditions of WWII and blaming Polish who indeed faced genocide. Given the shit happening on the Polish borders, f those Orcs and their Chinese Goblins


It's fair to say that the Polish state post-WWI had far too many Germans, Ukrainians, and belarusians in it.
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Aug 31 2024 06:16am
Quote (bogie160 @ 31 Aug 2024 13:39)
It's fair to say that the Polish state post-WWI had far too many Germans, Ukrainians, and belarusians in it.


Not to mention Russians
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Aug 31 2024 11:28am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 31 2024 09:56am)
We've been over this debate time and time again and simply disagree on it.

You can argue that NATO should have rejected their bids to join, along the lines of "we know you want it, but you better don't provoke the Russian bear next door" or something like that. I personally disagree, but it's an argument that can be made. What is not up for debate, however, is that NATO did not expand into RUSSIAN territory. Those were sovereign nations joining NATO out of their own volition.


This is not true and you know it. If an African poverty stricken shithole asked to join NATO no one in NATO would be interested at all.

Simple facts are that NATO was obviously mighty pleased that this opportunity presented itself, it's simply the cold war aftermath. USSR collapsed --> NATO profit. Facts

That you don't like Putin or whatever way you're emotionally invested here doesn't matter. The facts matter and geo-politics matter (the strength of a country and it's willingness to defend it's interests).

Calling Putin a dictator doesn't matter. Claiming to be the good guys (who started more wars than anyone else, lol) also doesn't matter. It's all about geo-politics.


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Aug 31 2024 02:51pm
Russian recruitment videos be on point. They actually try to attract men not pander with videos of girl with two moms.

https://x.com/aussiecossack/status/1829525396599210046
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Russian recruitment videos be on point. They actually try to attract men not pander with videos of girl with two moms.

https://x.com/aussiecossack/status/1829525396599210046


It's a well crafted attempt to appeal to the masculinity of young men so they can join the fratricidal meatgrinder started by their 71 year old dictator.

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