I would like to see the numbers of patriot missiles the Ukrainians burned through.

Can't compare that to desert storm where they used some against incoming scud missiles but that's about it.

There's a reason Ukraine's got priority right now they receive all patriot missiles that are being produced, the rest of the world simply got to wait.

Nord stream suspects allegedly fled Poland in a diplomatic vehicle:
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-sabotage-taucher-flucht-polen-ukraine-100.html

This post was edited by Malopox on Aug 29 2024 08:41am

U.S.-Made F-16 Fighter Jet Crashes in Ukraine

A Ukrainian F-16 fighter jet was destroyed in a crash on Monday, according to a U.S. official, just weeks after the first of the American-made aircraft arrived in Ukraine.

Source: The Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/world/ukrainian-f-16-is-destroyed-in-crash-4f6d66f6

Reports that the trench lines running from Novohrodivka down to Selydove were essentially empty and the Russians seized it virtually unopposed.

Tldr: the Polish authorities more or less flat out refused to enact a European arrest warrant against the suspect, the German side is seething. The guy then allegedly fled from Poland to Ukraine in a diplomatic vehicle of the Ukrainian embassy in Warsaw.

G-d damn it.

A top Ukrainian pilot was killed when a US-made F-16 fighter jet crashed on Monday
Pilot Oleksiy Mes, known as “Moonfish,” was killed in the crash while “repelling the biggest ever aerial attack” by Russia against Ukraine

That pilot was more valuable than the plane itself. My beloved f16s are not off to a great start it would seem.

My point is NATO isn't anywhere near being able to supply the needed air defense systems.




This is the second F-16, and second trained pilot lost by Ukraine?
The first one was shot down in the first week of the Kursk incursion.

Bruh I was right, their top pilot crashed it! Their "top" pilot can't even fly one! The only way to use them is to have actual trained American operators and you can't pay them enough money to throw their life away

I think the buying time strategy can be interpreted in two ways:

1) In one way buying time is realistically a good thing, an enemy invading you slowly is preferable to an enemy invading you quickly, and it could buy enough time for political moods to shift and have more help arrive

2) On the other hand, slowing Russia down only continues to harden their resolve. The more that Russian lives are lost and more time with their sons at war, Russian political will becomes harder and harder, and the Russian public will demand more and more territory from Ukraine. So they might be playing themselves.

Trump being elected, in my view, would not be good for Ukraine. Trump will shut off the trough of American taxpayer money, and then what does Ukraine have? They'll be forced to surrender on Russia's terms, which according to point 2 will be more and more demanding as the war goes on.