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Jul 20 2024 02:11pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 20 2024 10:11pm)
I'm asking you to prove how Russia is "winning" militarily.

I've just shown you how much territory they are taking each month, and how it could take 6 years at the same rate to capture even 2 of the 4 claimed Oblasts.

Stop dodging and start proving. Or just admit you are delirious.


So you took that back ahahaha :thumbsup:

#flipflop

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Jul 20 2024 02:12pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jul 20 2024 09:11pm)
So you took that back ahahaha :thumbsup:

#flipflop

:thumbsup:


I take nothing back.

Why can't you provide a counter argument?

Anyone reading this can see you are scared comrade.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 20 2024 02:12pm
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Jul 20 2024 02:16pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 20 2024 10:12pm)
I take nothing back.

Why can't you provide a counter argument?

Anyone reading this can see you are scared comrade.


You said this

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 20 2024 05:34pm)
Ukraine is heading toward partition. Either as East/West Germany 2.0 or like North Korea/South Korea.


And now you clearly state that you're not taking it back. Good ^^

Putin has clearly stated that for negotiations to start there are two pre-conditions 1) Russia gets to keep the annexed oblasts forever and 2) Ukraine remains neutral (no NATO membership)

Exactly what I'm pointing out the last two pages btw comrade, like everyone here can read ;)

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Jul 20 2024 02:18pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jul 20 2024 09:16pm)
You said this

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And now you clearly state that you're not taking it back. Good ^^

Putin has clearly stated that for negotiations to start there are two pre-conditions 1) Russia gets to keep the annexed oblasts forever and 2) Ukraine remains neutral (no NATO membership)

Exactly what I'm pointing out the last two pages btw comrade, like everyone here can read ;)

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You said Russia is winning, based on what metric are they winning?
Factual content.
Not rhetoric like "Russia too big, can't be stop"

You tried that applying that logic when you said it would be over in 3 months. You failed.

If 200 square miles a year for perhaps 100k casulaties is winning, I'd hate to see what losing looks like :rofl:

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 20 2024 02:19pm
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 20 2024 10:18pm)
You said Russia is winning, based on what metric are they winning?
Factual content.
Not rhetoric like "Russia too big, can't be stop"

You tried that applying that logic when you said it would be over in 3 months. You failed.


I said it will be a huge victory for Russia

I said Russia is advancing on the battlefield and has the advantage in manpower and firepower which is why they're in a better position to start negotiatiations. THATS what I said comrade.

Your squirming :thumbsup:
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Jul 20 2024 02:23pm
The main danger now is that Ukraine crumbles internally under Russia's external pressure, before the west accepts a peace deal. We're 4 months out from US elections and 6 from the next presidency and the Biden administration has taken the 'to the last ukrainian' mantra seriously and won't let its puppet regime even entertain the idea of negotiations. And even if Trump wins, I think its more likely Biden would try to install poison pills and land mines like Obama did to him in 2016 during his last months, making restoring peace slower.

What we've seen in the past week is Ukrainians turning on each other. Border guards killing multiple draft dodgers is a huge escalation. It had only been TCC bullying people and guards bribed, now they've gone full Berlin Wall. Iryna Farion wasn't killed by a Russian drone, most likely by Azov. A woman self immolated in protest against conscription. Two TCC vehicles were torched by citizens. And look at all the desperate measures they are pushing on the EU to get back runaways. Long before Russian troops set foot in Kyiv again, the country would collapse from within. How long can we prop them up?
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Jul 20 2024 02:27pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jul 20 2024 08:21pm)
If Ukraine loses Crimea and the other oblasts that Russia annexed AND Ukraine is forced to remain neutral then it's a huge victory for Putin no matter how much you try to chalk this up as a loss.

Bolded: Those are the preconditions set by Putin to start the negotiations. Russia is winning on the battlefield, they got a clear advantage in manpower and firepower so it's unlikely they'll suddenly settle for less.

When the dust settles the conclusion will be drawn that all the West achieved was that Ukraine got completely wrecked and a generation of Ukrainians got killed on the battlefield.


"Russia is winning on the battlefield"

Squirm out of that.

Comrade.
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Jul 20 2024 02:31pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 20 Jul 2024 23:12)
I take nothing back.

Why can't you provide a counter argument?

Anyone reading this can see you are scared comrade.


You take nothing back, Putin takes Donbass. Everyone only takes. Nobody gives. A sh*t.
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Jul 20 2024 02:33pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 20 2024 10:27pm)
"Russia is winning on the battlefield"

Squirm out of that.

Comrade.


You missed the rest of the sentence explaining what I said Russia is winning on the battlefield, they got a clear advantage in manpower and firepower

All you do is dodging, deflecting, squirming.

FACT remains if Russia gets to keep those oblasts and Ukraine remains neutral that's a huge victory for Russia.

Why? Because 50 odd countries dogpiled on Russia and they fucking failed to push the Russians out of the occupied territories which was the clear goal set by Ukraine and NATO

Edit:

The other day I posted this (which you obviously didn't check)



@ 2:05 - 2:28

Blinken: "building a very clear strong well-lit bridge to NATO membership for Ukraine", irreversible and inevitable.

That's some clear desperation right there comrade

This post was edited by Djunior on Jul 20 2024 02:41pm
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Jul 20 2024 02:51pm
Holy crap. How often is Scott Ritter the paedophile a guest on this guys channel?
This really explains a lot.
This is the youtube channel considered a source of credible information by some people. Check the video topic titles and decide for yourself.

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