If your babushka had wheels she would be a bike, comrade.

lolled at "huge victory"

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 20 2024 01:39pm

Putin clearly said that those are the pre-conditions for negotiations comrade and you just said you think Ukraine is going to be "partitioned" to use your own words.

So yes, if that happens it would be a huge victory for the Russians.

You understand what that means? --> A huge fat L for Ukraine and the West.

Now go on and tell us again that it's a great testing ground for NATO lmfao

Lets put the huge gains in perspective shall we.

https://www.russiamatters.org/news/russia-ukraine-war-report-card/russia-ukraine-war-report-card-may-7-2024

Change in control of Ukrainian territory
Since Feb. 24, 2022:
Russia: +25,000 square miles. 11% of Ukraine. Area equivalent to Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Connecticut combined.
Ukraine: 0. Ukraine has not taken any territory controlled by Russia before the 2022 invasion.
Since Aug. 29, 2022 Ukrainian counteroffensive: Ukraine +6,550 square miles. 3% of Ukraine. Area equivalent to Connecticut and Rhode Island combined.
Russia: +480.
Ukraine: +7,030.
In past month: Russia +55 square miles.
Russia: +61.
Ukraine: +6.
In past week: Russia +20 square miles.
Russia: +21.
Ukraine: +1.
Total territory occupied by Russia at some point since Feb. 24, 2022: 54,000 square miles.
Total territory reclaimed by Ukraine since Feb. 24, 2022: 29,000. 54% of total territory occupied by Russia.
Currently occupied by Russia: 25,000.


Russia has gained 55 square miles in the past month. The Donbass is 20,000 square miles. Lets estimate Russia controls 70% of the region already. Thats 14,000 square miles.
So 6,000 square miles remain outwith Russian control. Based on an average 100 miles per month, which is double what Russia is currently capable of.
That means it would only take another 60 months for Russia to control the entire Donbas region. That is five years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine
"During the entire 2023, the Russian forces only captured 518 km2 (200 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory, despite huge losses on the battlefield"

200 square miles in the whole of 2023. Our previous calculation was based off Russia being able to capture and hold 100 miles per month.
At 200 square miles a year, Russia could capture all of the Donbas region in about... 30 years.

This doesn't include Kherson or the Western parts of Zaporizhzhia.

Your not familiar with how negotiations work, are you?
He also said Ukraines military should disband before any negotiation can begin; You wanna make a bet that happens?
He also said NATO should be rolled back to not include Poland, Baltics and so on as his "demands" not to invade; At the time you admitted this is a negotiation tactic.

Funny how amnesia can be comrade.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 20 2024 01:57pm

The ones that are advancing on the battlefield and have the advantage in manpower and firepower are in a far better position to put down a bunch of demands.

What do you not understand exactly?

Ninja edit doesn't save you comrade

Advancing by 50 miles a month? See you in 30 years for negotiation then

Day 877 of 12053 of Russians limited in scope special military meatgrinder operation.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 20 2024 02:00pm

Completely not the point comrade.

The point is that Ukraine is losing badly and the longer this goes on the more they lose which is why they now talk about negotiations, something that was inconceivable.

You clearly didn't think this through did you

This post was edited by Djunior on Jul 20 2024 02:03pm

Based on what metrics?
Your imaginary belief that Russia's size somehow delineating an inevitable victory?

Your belief had you hoodwinked that this would take 3 months, lol

Putin had to buy the Chechens off after two dismal wars. This is his Afghanistan, you just can't bring yourself to smell the coffee.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 20 2024 02:06pm

So you're taking this back already?

Epic flip flop you lasted mere minutes comrade



lmfao

I'm asking you to prove how Russia is "winning" militarily.
I've just shown you how much territory they are taking each month, and how it could take 6 years at the same rate to capture even 2 of the 4 claimed Oblasts.
Stop dodging and start proving. Or just admit you are delirious.

This goes to negotiation and Ukraine is partitioned.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 20 2024 02:11pm