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Mar 1 2022 09:17am
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The crimean annexation was largely due to the same reason : security fears. one aspect was - Russia could not allow "their" port to be no longer "russian". I completely agree with you that their desire for protect themselves wasn't exactly uncalled for, but Russia had already "let" them be independent with the proviso, as i understand it, that they did not turn their weapons of war on Russia, which is exactly what would have happened, had Ukraine joined Nato. i.e. in seeking to prevent the worst from happening, they inadvertently accelerated that very event.

Re: removing Putin from within



There are a lot of parallels that can be used here. but ultimately alot of people in alot of countries get in power and abuse that power, or they people they (to my mind) they should be protecting. I dont care what kind of government you want to call russia has, but I see it as a dictatorship and therefore i do not agree the people can simply "vote" for him to be out of office.


i dont disagree with the timeline in retrospect, its just that EVERYONE was pretty surprised by the invasion. no one expected this would happen. hard to be naïve about something no one foresaw.
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i dont disagree with the timeline in retrospect, its just that EVERYONE was pretty surprised by the invasion. no one expected this would happen. hard to be naïve about something no one foresaw.


I made this topic a month ago, when America and NATO for sure saw this coming, before Russia invaded. Which begs the question, why did they not back down. to my mind alot of very smart people that get paid a shit tonne of money were either asleep or ignored. My view is that Both America and Nato knew that Russia would (have to) invade (based on their views).

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Mar 1 2022 09:23am
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I made this topic a month ago, when America and NATO for sure saw this coming, before Russia invaded. Which begs the question, why did they not back down. to my mind alot of very smart people that get paid a shit tonne of money were either asleep or ignored.


i think people made a big deal about potential invasion in order to hopefully scare Putin into not invading, but in reality they were surprised he invaded.

bit like a dog that barks angrily at another dog but then gets shocked when the other dog charges them.

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thats a fair point.
depressing misunderstanding on a global scale.
I think "the sum of all fears" movie has a relevant scene.

I mean, YOU know I dont even frequent this sub forum, and yet I posted here because it was so self-evident that russia HAD to invade based on their security fears, it was like hitting your head against the wall when realizing that nothing was being done to acknowledge those security concerns and row back on the inevitable.

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Mar 1 2022 09:49am
Based on information from Western media. The Ukrainian army is so powerful and the Russian army is so weak that Zelensky will raise the Ukrainian flag in Moscow no later than next Thursday B)
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i dont disagree with the timeline in retrospect, its just that EVERYONE was pretty surprised by the invasion. no one expected this would happen. hard to be naïve about something no one foresaw.


I don't believe that for a second. If it is actually true, then everyone should be fired for incompetence.
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Mar 1 2022 11:40am
Digging this new Verify channel, Good work debunking fake vids claiming to be russia attacking Ukraine

https://twitter.com/JovanHPulitzer/status/1498659706432274438
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Mar 1 2022 11:52am
Wonder if the Russians will go from Litvinenko and Skripal to Von Der Leyen et al, now they've got nothing to lose
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Mar 1 2022 12:13pm
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I don't believe that for a second. If it is actually true, then everyone should be fired for incompetence.


Assuming Russia is going to take an entire country by war in 2022 isnt exactly a shocking call i dont think. look at how its not going great, how Russia is facing devastating sanctions, etc.
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