I would gather this is really about oil/gas per usual, not phantom Nazi' chasing

but at the very start of this conflict, I said it didn't make much strategic sense for Russia to invade greater ukraine when they already held control of all the country's natural resources of arable land and gas in the east (minus the farmland of odessa). The west was a true shithole with nothing to offer, a liability even if it surrendered willingly. I'm sure that factored into all the other wrong analyses by intelligence officials who doubted the full invasion scenario.

My best guess is that we're seeing the dysfunction of strategic flip flops. First they made a gamble that just blitzing Kiev would lead the government to flee and surrender without a fight. Then they thought if they encircled major cities and threatened their doom, they would surrender without needless destruction. Because as anyone with a brain has realized, Russia could have flattened Kiev and other major cities like Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo, and they could have done it overnight. But they didn't. And then instead of making an example of one city while encircling kiev, they abandoned it and went back east. Except now the guy they put in charge of the operation in their reshuffle is the same guy who won the war in Syria. By flattening cities. Which I would say does not bode well for the next phase

I can fathom the stopping of NATO close to borders reasoning as the excuse.
I can take the oil as reasons.
Cannot swallow the we are here to eliminate drug addicts and Nazi's for the preservation of mother Russia

Just two things:

1.: Western Ukraine has some of the best farmland in the entire world. Ukraine was called the granary of the Soviet Union because of Western Ukraine, not the East.
2.: The Russians could have flattened Kyiv, but they could not have flattened Hamburg or Tokyo without seeing Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg etc. reduced to smoldering craters by the NATO retaliation.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 12 2022 02:20am

"Something from 2008" in fact was the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest. Do you even know what you're talking about?

Once again:

https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html



And yes that definitely proves it

what a coincidence

Ukrainian soldiers talking about the situation in Mariupol and about the supposed gas attack.