Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 26 2021 01:06pm)

Survival from Covid is over 99% m8. I don't think your fantasies of getting rid of the right are going to pan out like you think.

Quote (EndlessSky @ 27 Jul 2021 00:46)

The left doesn't have kids.

Even if he is right and they survive the pandemic, they will still go extinct.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 26 2021 02:11pm)

The WHO and the CDC estimated the IFR of covid to be well below 1% in first world countries, and that was before vaccines became available. Factoring in vaccinations, it should approach the flu-like level of around 0.1%.

It is of course the IFR which is the important quantity since it tells us how many covid deaths (and indirectly how many hospitalizations) we would have to expect if cases grow by a factor of X. It is the IFR that informs the most crucial and difficult political decisions.


In any case, it should be fairly undisputed that the CFR is an upper bound for the (unknown) IFR.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 27 Jul 2021 00:41)

Please quantify "many" and "very long time".

Quote (theCrossbones @ 27 Jul 2021 00:55)

It may be important for policy decisions. But is pretty useless when stating COVID is "the flu" and not serious.
The severity of the disease is what people are debating most of the time.
I still don't see the value in calculating people into the equation that have never had it, or even exposed to it, when you are trying to convince somebody its "the flu"
EDIT: Pancreatic cancer is not serious. look at the # of people that die from it.
tell somebody who has it, its not serious.

Quote (Doggyfood @ Jul 26 2021 08:28am)

The Democratic Party has more in common with whatever definition of “conservative” we could agree on than it does with leftist ideology. I’m not sure what you were trying to say here so correct me if I misinterpreted your comment

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 26 2021 09:43am)

Huh? Liberalism is an inherently centrist ideology. Leftism is only irrelevant in America.

Only the furthest left democrats even kiss being left. Bernie would still be only a centrist in most countries for that reason.

Democrats who arent Bernie or AOC are firmly on the far right of liberal or deeply entrenched conservatives.

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 26 2021 06:11pm)

The Republican party has more in common with leftists than it does with small government conservatives or libertarians. They support a massive federal government that has it's hand in all aspects of the lives of Americans, which includes a sizable welfare state that keeps expanding, and has never been paid for.



I'm not even sure what liberal(as in "left" liberal, not "political science term" liberal) means. It was always a term that described those on the left side of the spectrum.

Obviously notions of left and right depend on the country you are in, so a conservative in a democratic-socialist country would be far more left-wing than a conservative in America.

How about you guys put your cards on the table... what makes someone on the right or on the left? Because Bernie doesn't want to nationalize a bunch of industries and supplant the market system, he's barely on the left? Sounds like a leftist framing.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 26 2021 07:13pm)

Theres a world outside of america dude. In america we are shoved so far to the right that a liberal is on the left. In reality liberalism is a centrist philosophy.

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Folks it's simple. Dr. Fauci worked with a Chinese biolab to create an experimental supervirus that doesn't actually hurt anyone and you should let yourself get infected with it instead of taking a useless vaccine that we should be thanking Trump more for.

Also big pharmaceutical companies are engaged in a vast conspiracy to prevent you from taking a cheap drug they already invented by fabricating dozens of medical studies instead of just doing what they usually do and buying out generic competitors.

Every single person who dies of covid actually died of a preexisting condition and doctors are lying to you but also every person who reports growing a third eye after getting vaccinated is telling the unvarnished truth, solely traceable to the vaccine.

And if a lot of people ARE dying of COVID then it's mostly fat or obese people, who only make up 73% of the US population and therefore it poses no cause for concern.