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Jul 3 2024 07:31am
Russia took down 8 su27s and a mig in 24hr. Now losing these isn't the end of the world (especially with 60 f16s coming annnny day now) for ukraine but it does show that they will be using polish/Estonian air bases and using nato pilots. Yall think Russia will attack these bases?
https://www.rt.com/russia/600310-ukraine-loses-nine-jets/

Some good news for ukraine though: uncle sam delivers another 2.3 billion dollar arms package to Ukraine. The IMF also approved another 2.2 billion dollar loan using the extended fund facility (EFF)
https://archive.is/kxBLx

The real question is: are these aid packages going to stop ukranian lines from getting FAB'd?
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Quote (zorzin @ 3 Jul 2024 15:31)
Russia took down 8 su27s and a mig in 24hr. Now losing these isn't the end of the world (especially with 60 f16s coming annnny day now) for ukraine but it does show that they will be using polish/Estonian air bases and using nato pilots. Yall think Russia will attack these bases?
https://www.rt.com/russia/600310-ukraine-loses-nine-jets/

Some good news for ukraine though: uncle sam delivers another 2.3 billion dollar arms package to Ukraine. The IMF also approved another 2.2 billion dollar loan using the extended fund facility (EFF)
https://archive.is/kxBLx

The real question is: are these aid packages going to stop ukranian lines from getting FAB'd?


rumour is those SUs and MIGs were inoperable scrap destined for parts
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Jul 3 2024 08:07am
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Zero sense for Russia using the same logic. Putin claimed Zaporizhzhia (region) as a part of Russian Federation. But it doesn't change the fact that ZPP was attacked, again.

Oh, absolutely. It wasn't my intention to blame Russia for these attacks. I'm just genuinely baffled because it makes no sense for either side.




Quote (Malopox @ 3 Jul 2024 14:46)
They will gain international attention by blaming Russia for “mismanagement” of a nuclear plant that Russians Soviets built and Russians know how to operate and upgrade.

But the biggest backers of Ukraine are the exact same squishy Western liberals who have been against nuclear energy for decades and will panic and call for an immediate ceasefire (at whichever cost to Ukraine) as soon as they fear nuclear disaster in their vincinity. Heck, back in 2011, Germany decided to end its nuclear power plants because a tsunami triggered by an earthquake on the other side of the globe had caused a nuclear accident over there. Public opinion was overwhelmingly supporting this decision although the country is neither at risk of earthquakes nor tsunamis. :rolleyes:


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Ukranian military leadership is clearly not independent from ultranationalists within their ranks (who just dismissed a literal general and Zelensky looks like he takes personal orders from Biletsky every time they do a photopp together). Those neonationalists see no problem becoming a martyr for a cause so long as it achieves the ultimate goal (of killing semite-led untermenschen). Sort of like HAMAS or ISIS really.

Soviets tried to exterminate this ideology and partially succeeded until it was revived in the 1990s by the leftovers of Nazi descendants that migrated to eg Canada. Ultimately I believe you need to fight ideology with ideology or at least economic measures, not violence.

So your explanation is "the Kyiv regime is filled with genocidal and suicidal maniacs"?

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But the biggest backers of Ukraine are the exact same squishy Western liberals who have been against nuclear energy for decades and will panic and call for an immediate ceasefire (at whichever cost to Ukraine) as soon as they fear nuclear disaster in their vincinity. Heck, back in 2011, Germany decided to end its nuclear power plants because a tsunami triggered by an earthquake on the other side of the globe had caused a nuclear accident over there. Public opinion was overwhelmingly supporting this decision although the country is neither at risk of earthquakes nor tsunamis. :rolleyes:



Biggest backers of Ukraine are on the other side of the world and a little fallout in Europe is not going to hurt them. German leadership sleepwalked into a huge problem arranged by and courtesy of their biggest ally.

German decision to get rid of the safest nuclear stations on the planet in favour of burning lignites (it’s not even thermal coal lol!) and importing electricity generated by nuclear stations in France - will go down in history as a decade of humiliation.

I hope new German government corrects the course to regain energy sovereignty.

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So your explanation is "the Kyiv regime is filled with genocidal and suicidal maniacs"?


I would describe them as opportunists that do not have the interests of Ukraine as a country at heart. Long-term nation-building comes from eradication of corruption (something that eg Russia struggles with), strengthening of institutions, economic prosperity as well as moving beyond Jungian victimhood complex to build your nation on. Look at Americans - they don’t complain about oppression from the British, they celebrate it tomorrow as the biggest national holiday and are endlessly proud they evolved beyond a “struggling ex-colony” into the biggest world power of 21st century so far.
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Jul 3 2024 09:11am
Russians moving in Toretsk direction pretty rapidly over last few days


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The breach of Ukrainian defenses at Niu York reflect the harsh reality of Ukrainian forces at the front. A front that is not continuous due to the lack of troops that is already beginning to show. The opening of the northern front has diverted the units that Ukrainian Army needed to maintain the 2014 defensive system. Russian forces have taken advantage of this deficiency to reactivate these axes and penetrate the urban agglomerations west of Gorlivka. Russian troops will continue to press from these axes simultaneously with the Chasov Yar and Provosk axes to create a new cauldron that will eventually lead to the battle for Kostiantynivka



https://x.com/suriyakmaps/status/1808514932259860692?s=46
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Chinese as always making profit where profit is.
But not want anything of this war, looks at stupid Russia and laughs how dumb it is.
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Chinese as always making profit where profit is.
But not want anything of this war, looks at stupid Russia and laughs how dumb it is.


Russia is still doing good: Only ~300 years left to conquier the whole remaining territory of Ukraine...

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 4 2024 05:09am)
Russia is still doing good: Only ~300 years left to conquier the whole remaining territory of Ukraine...


Bro, it is too funny, read thread one month ago



Russia offense failed nothing gained, and same people now say it actual great tactics was thought out like this haha ^_^



Putin idiot so shameful in front of all civilized world went to Concentration Camp to beg their help, drove limo with Kim
:rofl:
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Jul 3 2024 03:25pm
Quote (Fnall @ Jul 3 2024 03:39pm)
Bro, it is too funny, read thread one month ago

https://postimage.me/images/2024/07/03/Untitled.jpg

Russia offense failed nothing gained, and same people now say it actual great tactics was thought out like this haha ^_^

https://postimage.me/images/2024/07/03/8vtzuv.jpg

Putin idiot so shameful in front of all civilized world went to Concentration Camp to beg their help, drove limo with Kim
:rofl:


Outside of hysteria on the part of select Western media outlets, there was never any talk of the northern offensive seriously threatening Kharkiv. ISW (you'd be hard pressed to find a more pro-West outlet) described it as a fixing operation from the get go, one in which Russia ended up committing limited reserves (~20k men). The problem for Ukraine is that they cannot afford to let Russia get within artillery range of Kharkiv proper, ergo they must commit reserves needed elsewhere. The fact that trench lines that have stood for ten years are starting to crack is notable in a war this static.
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