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Jun 26 2024 01:51pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 27 2024 05:47am)
Lol Putin is a truely master strategist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eUUj_flvQ


a is South Korea an economy
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that's roughly 15 to 20 times as large
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and is a technological leader not just
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in things like semiconductors and
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Manufacturing but increasingly software
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and weapons technology in The Last 5
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Years South Korea has emerged as one of
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the top five arms exporters in the world



Along with this, and Concentration Camp sending baloons filled with sewages across the border as provocation its all the news right now
How low, is this new axis world spin around of as other guy said? Super Nuclear Kim who send poop in baloon because broke and eats all food so all other in his "country" starve?
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Jun 26 2024 03:56pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 24 2024 10:59am)
You claimed that Russia is still a communist country today, yet continuously fail to name any genuinely communist - as opposed to merely authoritarian - policy still in effect in the country.




Iirc, the Russians themselves initially claimed that the civilians were hurt by debris from an approaching Ukrainian missile or drone which was taken down by Sewastopol's anti-air, and only later changed the narrative to "the bloodthirsty regime in Kyiv used cluster munition on peaceful beachgoers!!!!11"


This stance proves my original post on this.. you have these clear and concise political perspectives to classify RU as communist. But the American R calls anything they don't like, or anything that is remotely about public services "communism or socialism"
Thanks for taking my all the way to point proven.
However I do agree that RU politically is not actually communist.

Now apply all those filters to American politics and we would agree.
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This stance proves my original post on this.. you have these clear and concise political perspectives to classify RU as communist. But the American R calls anything they don't like, or anything that is remotely about public services "communism or socialism"
Thanks for taking my all the way to point proven.
However I do agree that RU politically is not actually communist.

Now apply all those filters to American politics and we would agree.

Re: bolded:

I get what you mean, but this doesn't apply to me. First, I'm from Europe anyway.
Second, the distinction between actual socialism and social democracy is a pet peeve of mine, I love to rub it under people's nose when they conflate the two.
Third, this distinction is made a lot harder for undereducated or simply disinterested Americans due to the fact that a lot of social democratic, cookie-cutter left-wing parties in Europe's political spectrum call themselves "socialists" or "socialist party" although that's not what they actually are.
Fourth, it has of course been a deliberate and decades-old strategy by the political right to lump their legitimate left-wing competition together with unsavory commies, similar to how the political left loves to lump right-wingers and nationalists together with racists and nazis.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 26 2024 07:28pm
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Jun 26 2024 08:12pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 26 2024 09:10am)
This is unrelated statement and false accusations, Russian governement is deliberately putting people at risk and shot legit missiles just above their head, end of story.

European court: Evidence Russia comitted 'multiple' human rights violations in Crimea

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/european-court-evidence-russia-comitted-multiple-human-rights-violations-crimea-2024-06-25/


Constantly defending war criminals is not healthy.


People who have lived in Crimea their entire lives are not going to flee to a refugee camp under the auspices of a 3rd world power. I think it's incredulous that anyone pro-Ukrainian independence would not also support Crimean self-determination. They're Russians, the idea that Ukraine must rule over a foreign people in perpetuity because of squiggly lines on a map drawn up out of the biggest multi-ethnic breakup in human history is absurd.
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Jun 26 2024 08:21pm
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People who have lived in Crimea their entire lives are not going to flee to a refugee camp under the auspices of a 3rd world power. I think it's incredulous that anyone pro-Ukrainian independence would not also support Crimean self-determination. They're Russians, the idea that Ukraine must rule over a foreign people in perpetuity because of squiggly lines on a map drawn up out of the biggest multi-ethnic breakup in human history is absurd.


Crimea belongs to Ukraine, which would threat Tatars fairly btw.
Russia moved alot of russians in the area in last decades: It doesn't make Crimea Russian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Tatarization_of_Crimea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism

Some reading would not hurt you, really.
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Jun 26 2024 09:52pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 26 2024 09:21pm)
Crimea belongs to Ukraine, which would threat Tatars fairly btw.
Russia moved alot of russians in the area in last decades: It doesn't make Crimea Russian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Tatarization_of_Crimea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism

Some reading would not hurt you, really.


The people living in Crimea today overwhelmingly support Russia, are ethnic Russians, speak Russian, follow the Russian orthodox church or are Russian citizens. In the 2014 Crimean referendum they voted 97% to integrate into Russia
Just as any Russian force occupying Kiev would be subjugating a hostile populace, any Ukrainian force trying to invade and hold Crimea would be conquerors, not liberators.
This is a simple fact you consistently refuse to recognize, the DPR/LPR/Crimea all have been fighting a civil war against east Ukraine after they were disenfranchised and overthrown in a coup d'etat, they align with Russia willingly and fervently.


This also follows a consistent pattern I've seen in NATO proxy wars and interventions, which is to simply lie about the motives and beliefs of the people they are getting killed. Shades of the whole "pro democracy sunni militias". The west has allied itself with actual modern day Nazis while declaring the people who are fighting against them are really just oppressed by their tyrants and would defect to us if not for fear of their master's whips. And somehow I'm stuck being one of the few ideologically consistent liberals when I point it out
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Jun 26 2024 10:15pm
97% weak, Kim gets 9999% on every vote :lol:

who doesn't vote 99 time get sent to special camp

This post was edited by Fnall on Jun 26 2024 10:20pm
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The people living in Crimea today overwhelmingly support Russia, are ethnic Russians, speak Russian, follow the Russian orthodox church or are Russian citizens. In the 2014 Crimean referendum they voted 97% to integrate into Russia
Just as any Russian force occupying Kiev would be subjugating a hostile populace, any Ukrainian force trying to invade and hold Crimea would be conquerors, not liberators.
This is a simple fact you consistently refuse to recognize, the DPR/LPR/Crimea all have been fighting a civil war against east Ukraine after they were disenfranchised and overthrown in a coup d'etat, they align with Russia willingly and fervently.


This also follows a consistent pattern I've seen in NATO proxy wars and interventions, which is to simply lie about the motives and beliefs of the people they are getting killed. Shades of the whole "pro democracy sunni militias". The west has allied itself with actual modern day Nazis while declaring the people who are fighting against them are really just oppressed by their tyrants and would defect to us if not for fear of their master's whips. And somehow I'm stuck being one of the few ideologically consistent liberals when I point it out


The modern day nazi trope is getting wellbworn out dude.

Anyway, day 858 of Russias imminent victory.

Longest 3 months ever.
#3months

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 27 2024 12:53am
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Jun 27 2024 01:07am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 27 2024 08:53am)
The modern day nazi trope is getting wellbworn out dude.

Anyway, day 858 of Russias imminent victory.

Longest 3 months ever.
#3months


Massive cope ^_^

Counting from 2008, how many days of "Ukraine will join NATO"

Hmm?



This post was edited by Djunior on Jun 27 2024 01:11am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jun 2024 18:01)
I'm no expert on the matter, but afaik, the Russian nuclear doctrine only allows the use of nukes to respond to existentially threatening attacks on Russia.

The Enerhodar nuclear plant is located smack bang in the middle of Ukraine and illegally occupied by Russia. It's surely not wise for either side to shell this plant, but to suggest that attacking it would justify a Russian nuclear first strike is ludicrous.


1) Your statement is correct, the right for nuclear retaliation is indeed defined vaguely in Russian military doctrine.

2) You know what is truly ludicrous? Shelling nuclear stations hoping to cause an accident.
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