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Jun 4 2024 12:19am
Quote (FantasyWorldII @ Jun 4 2024 06:00am)
Yoohooo We are safe guys... Mondain doesnt think Russia has big nukes :rofl:


They have nuclear material, tactical nukes and nuclear energy plants.

But the ww2 and cold war nukes. No I don't believe they have the big ones.

They could maybe scrape one together but Russia showed it's military is dated.

Democracy has had russian elites spending more on fat bellies, vodka and houses than it's military.

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Jun 4 2024 01:56am
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They have nuclear material, tactical nukes and nuclear energy plants.

But the ww2 and cold war nukes. No I don't believe they have the big ones.

They could maybe scrape one together but Russia showed it's military is dated.

Democracy has had russian elites spending more on fat bellies, vodka and houses than it's military.


The money is there. Russia has the money to put together what it needs. The military may not be what ours is, but that doesn't mean that russia has less power than who they're moving in on. You do not need an american military to invade an EU country. They're doing just fine with what they have.
Ukraine is receiving tons of support from many another source, and I highly doubt russia is recieving the same support.

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Jun 4 2024 07:16am
Quote (Mondain @ 4 Jun 2024 01:19)
They have nuclear material, tactical nukes and nuclear energy plants.

But the ww2 and cold war nukes. No I don't believe they have the big ones.

They could maybe scrape one together but Russia showed it's military is dated.

Democracy has had russian elites spending more on fat bellies, vodka and houses than it's military.


So when I went to the Minuteman Missile sites in South Dakota and visited nuclear launch silos that were decommissioned in the early 90's (historical museums now).

The nuclear weapons they showed that that the Soviets had in 1961 were MASSIVE.

The mushroom cloud was 25 miles wide at its base and almost 60 miles wide at its top. At 40 miles high, it penetrated the stratosphere. Everything within three dozen miles of the impact was vaporized, but severe damage extended to 150 miles radius—enough to entirely annihilate any modern major city, including suburbs.

So what you are saying is that in the last 60 years they weren't able to build something much stronger?

This is the same ignorance the public has surrounding trips to the moon. We supposedly did it back in the 60's but somehow "lost the ability to get there". Total hogwash. It's highly likely some of the top militaries of the world have had the capacity to go to the moon and maybe Mars and make trips there on the regular? How would any citizen know something like that was happening? Do you think the highest levels of the military are "forthcoming" with the "advancements" they've made in space exploration or nuclear weapons development? Fuck no. The only time "technology" like that trickles down to the public is when it no longer has a "military application purpose". Just my opinion but let's be real.
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Jun 4 2024 07:49am
"The US State Department has seized the passport of former Marine and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, he told RT on Monday.

Ritter was on his way to Russia for the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) when he was pulled off the plane and had his documents confiscated.

“My passport was seized by the State Department,” Ritter told RT in a message. “I was pulled off the airplane.”

“I’m fine, just aggravated,” he added."
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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Jun 4 2024 09:16am)
So when I went to the Minuteman Missile sites in South Dakota and visited nuclear launch silos that were decommissioned in the early 90's (historical museums now).

The nuclear weapons they showed that that the Soviets had in 1961 were MASSIVE.

The mushroom cloud was 25 miles wide at its base and almost 60 miles wide at its top. At 40 miles high, it penetrated the stratosphere. Everything within three dozen miles of the impact was vaporized, but severe damage extended to 150 miles radius—enough to entirely annihilate any modern major city, including suburbs.

So what you are saying is that in the last 60 years they weren't able to build something much stronger?

This is the same ignorance the public has surrounding trips to the moon. We supposedly did it back in the 60's but somehow "lost the ability to get there". Total hogwash. It's highly likely some of the top militaries of the world have had the capacity to go to the moon and maybe Mars and make trips there on the regular? How would any citizen know something like that was happening? Do you think the highest levels of the military are "forthcoming" with the "advancements" they've made in space exploration or nuclear weapons development? Fuck no. The only time "technology" like that trickles down to the public is when it no longer has a "military application purpose". Just my opinion but let's be real.



The advancement that has happened is in the delivery vehicles of nuclear warheads, and they've already showed the world those advancements. There's a fair amount of info out there on the Sarmat ICBM that recently went live. The actual warhead/enrichment doesn't need much advancement. It's largely the same enriched nuclear material that can wipe out entire cities/entire regions through the expansion of radiation based on payload.

It's objectively not true that they haven't advanced their nukes. In reality, most in the west fear that their delivery vehicles are actually more advanced than ours and would be able to evade defensive mechanisms.

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Jun 4 2024 08:14am
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The advancement that has happened is in the delivery vehicles of nuclear warheads, and they've already showed the world those advancements. There's a fair amount of info out there on the Sarmat ICBM that recently went live. The actual warhead/enrichment doesn't need much advancement. It's largely the same enriched nuclear material that can wipe out entire cities/entire regions through the expansion of radiation based on payload.

It's objectively not true that they haven't advanced their nukes. In reality, most in the west fear that their delivery vehicles are actually more advanced than ours and would be able to evade defensive mechanisms.


100% agree I just think it's funny when people talk about a countries "military capabilities" as if they'd tell "the world".........."Hey look at this super advanced weapon we made! Let's share!". Never.

This is the same when people say what you just said, "More advanced then ours and would be able to evade defensive mechanisms". This is fear porn because as you know "mutually assured destruction" benefits no one. All the saber rattling/dick waving is just that.

I always go back to the quote by Wernher Von Braun(father of rocketry) when talking about "the enemy".

He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics … That was how we identify an enemy.

The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they Russians had “killer satellites.” We were told that they were "coming to get us" and control us – that they were “Commies.”

Then, after the Russian threat passed (with the "fall of Communism"), terrorists would be identified as the next threat, and that was soon to follow. Then we were going to identify third-world country “crazies.” We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons.

The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons. And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. “And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie.”

Wernher Von Braun was trying to hint that to me back in the early 70’s and right up until the moment when he died in 1977.”


Have we not already seen all these "cards" get pulled and cast upon the public? Now we start to see the UFO/UAP "threat" which like we know could be %100 "made on Earth".
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Jun 4 2024 09:01am
Quote (Goomshill @ 4 Jun 2024 15:49)
"The US State Department has seized the passport of former Marine and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, he told RT on Monday.

Ritter was on his way to Russia for the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) when he was pulled off the plane and had his documents confiscated.

“My passport was seized by the State Department,” Ritter told RT in a message. “I was pulled off the airplane.”

“I’m fine, just aggravated,” he added."


Judge Andrew Napolitano was travelling with him and was denied boarding as well, although his passport was not taken.

Any idea why? On what grounds can you remove a passport of a US Citizen?
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Jun 4 2024 09:12am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 4 2024 03:49pm)
"The US State Department has seized the passport of former Marine and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, he told RT on Monday.

Ritter was on his way to Russia for the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) when he was pulled off the plane and had his documents confiscated.

“My passport was seized by the State Department,” Ritter told RT in a message. “I was pulled off the airplane.”

“I’m fine, just aggravated,” he added."



"Former U.N. weapons inspector turned sex offender Scott Ritter has made a name for himself parroting Kremlin propaganda about the war against Ukraine."
:lol:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moscow-throws-putin-fanboy-scott-131008099.html
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Jun 4 2024 10:33am
Quote (Malopox @ 4 Jun 2024 17:01)
Judge Andrew Napolitano was travelling with him and was denied boarding as well, although his passport was not taken.

Any idea why? On what grounds can you remove a passport of a US Citizen?

Charges like treason or selling state secrets to a foreign entity should do that.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Jun 2024 18:33)
Charges like treason or selling state secrets to a foreign entity should do that.


He would’ve been behind bars if he did that.
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