from the usual suspects here, the message is that President Trump and his administration was so bad at the vaccine rollout and delivery logistics that the harris/biden admin are copying the playbook directly and deserve universal praise

the notoriously pro-Trump tabloid “bloomberg” said as much:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/biden-uses-trump-s-america-first-vaccine-plan-to-corner-market
https://archive.ph/XbMNu

https://www.bloombergquint.com/amp/politics/biden-covid-team-derides-trump-plan-while-borrowing-its-playbook

bad messaging =/= bad vaccine distribution execution. we’ve all criticized the bad covid messaging when it came to masks and what not. of course if it were up to the swamp demons still infesting Washington we’d never have shut off incoming travel for non-citizens because it was “xenophobic”

a laughably expected conclusion regarding vaccine rollout from the usual suspects here

im open to the idea that Trump was more pivotal in the vaccine development than im giving him credit for, but ive seen nothing, including in your posts, to sway me. He guaranteed buys for what is basically liquid gold, and didn't get involved with how it was developed or manufactured or distributed (by and large).

i dont see this as pivotal at all, even if i do think it was good.

This debate is silly. No, Trump does not deserve credit for efficient vaccines existing. He does, however, deserve a lot of credit for having secured enough doses early enough to get the U.S. out of the woods months earlier than other first world countries. The EU's utter failure at vaccine procurement shows that this step was not trivial.

Procuring vaccines is the most critical task governments had, it's the task where delays or mistakes cannot be compensated or fixed at a later point. The Trump admin got this aspect right, and Biden is reaping the benefits. With B.1.1.7 and other variants spreading and pervasive lockdown-fatigue, Biden would be totally fucked without the stash of vaccines that Trump left him.






Oh sweet summer child... the Iran nuclear didnt come anywhere close to stopping Iran's entire nuclear program, not even on paper, let alone in reality where the ability of international experts to inspect Iran's nuclear facilities was severely restricted.

Furthermore, the deal was a demonstrable failure in terms of its strategic goals. The idea behind the deal was that loosening the economic pressure on Iran would boost the liberal/secular/democratic forces in the country. Instead, Iran's leadership used the financial breathing room it received from the deal to fund an escalation of its proxy wars in Syria and Yemen, and of its covert ops in Iraq. The nuclear deal did not normalize relations with Iran, it destabilized the Middle East even further.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 14 2021 10:58am

Even if you concede that operation warp speed was key, there's a million other examples of how Trump didn't care about COVID, and actually undermined his own people.

Whereas, we have Biden, who is doing all the right things in public. The only criticism of him(that I can see) is that maybe he's promoting too much cautiousness. Telling immediate families they can gather on July 4th isn't much of a payoff. They were doing it anyway. As was my family. I haven't gone to a restaurant or bar since COVID started, but I have spent time with family multiple times.

Debating vaccine rollout as if it represents the COVID response accurately from both administrations is silly.

who was going to overbid the US? lol.

when debt is the conversation the US is a cash cow, when it's vaccines people act like we needed Daddy Trump to go out and buy doses for us. as if the pharma companies dont already know the US is top dollar payer and the only other industrialized nations which care about their citizenry pay min prices in their single payer structure.

give me a damn break. this support for Trump here is biased as fuck lol.



agreed, last sentence especially. in my simple bad, bad, me, good post above that gives trump few points to his credit.

I feel like this discussion doesn't acknowledge that the good things Trump did are what we would expect from any president.

Trump cultists want to focus on what the administration did, as if any other administration wouldn't have taken the same steps(or more). And they don't want to focus on all the immediate things Trump did control, like the numerous statements he made over months and months downplaying the virus, not only failing to promote masks, but downplaying them, calling for governments to reopen in the midst of COVID surges, promoting ridiculous bullshit at the White House podium, trashing Fauci and allowing his people to do the same, holding campaign rallies without requiring masks, etc. Trump's actions outside of vaccine policy resulted in thousands of deaths that did not have to happen.

it's just the silly practice of taking "anything trump does the media/lefties criticizes him for it" literally.

so when Biden, or any president for that matter, does the same they think GOTCHA.

small brained thinking to be sure.

no matter how often you regurgitate that bolton-inspired bullshit, that directly contradicts the evaluations of basically every single foreign policy expert, diplomat, and the IAEA (so much so that even trump's own advisors strongly recommended him overthinking his decision to unilaterally withdraw from the deal) - the facts simply don't support your idiotic narrative.
and while it's not a surprise that trump boot-lickers aren't exactly strict believers in facts and expert opinion, it's still amusing how eagerly some of you go all-in on #alternative facts, trying to justify the indefensible, lol...

This post was edited by fender on Apr 14 2021 11:23am

that moment when somebody is so dumb and naive thinking that iran stopped their nuclear program for even one second

Except if you're looking at some of the places I pointed out like Europe, like Canada no one in their MSM is printing articles that it's Trudeaus or Merkel's fault hundreds are dying and it's their fault COVID exists.

Those two leaders are constantly held up as model leaders by the center-left in the US. Seems to me like 'any president' is really not as capable of doing what Trump did for the last half a year of his presidency. This isn't the first time you held Trump to some higher standards compared to other politicians though.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 14 2021 12:30pm