Quote (addone @ Apr 10 2023 08:57am)
Another one that flew over your head. I know you are frustrated when I constantly clap you.
Most people with a brain require proof because we question the validity of this premise. Doubt is a healthy form of scepticism. If people just had faith and accepted everything at face value then Nigerian prince email would be the most lucrative business on the planet. When you make up magic stories about walking on water, parting the sea, flooding the entire planet and discussing numerous mythical creatures like talking snakes normal people ask oh yea? Can you provide some proof? Or if I told you to have faith you must transfer all your forum gold into my account. It was written and commanded by God, don't doubt it because if you do then you cannot find salvation.
Also you are plain wrong I providing you with direct quotes which ask you to earn your way to salvation by doing a series of requested steps otherwise you going to hell
You MUST believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6
You MUST believe Jesus is the Son of God. John 3:16, 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10
You MUST believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3
You MUST believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9
Baptism is part of God’s Plan of Salvation. Mark 16:16; Acts 2:32-38
I know you're mad because the cornerstone you rejected has become the stumbling block. You've shown you have a very short term memory.
Here are some examples of when I did the research and my own investigations. Turned out to be viable.
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=67022928&f=125&o=0#p449254948https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73889562&f=119&p=525625079#p525625079https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71850688&f=125&o=0#p483628339So you are doubting the concept of faith? Let's see what Scripture says about faith.
Romans 4:1-25
Abraham Justified by Faith
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”
9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12 And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17 As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that were not.
18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
I guess you also want to talk about the things that are unseen versus the things that we do see?
Romans 8:18-25
Present Suffering and Future Glory
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
We have a guaranteed gift of life in Heaven, we just don't have it yet. We will wait for it patiently until the time comes to leave the Earth. What can you possibly offer in place of eternal life? There is absolutely nothing enticing with anything you say. The memes you post are not your own.
You want me to transfer all my forum gold to your account? Alright done. I originally had 0.00 fg and after the transfer my new balance is 0.00 fg.