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May 19 2024 12:13pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 19 2024 06:44pm)
Limiting armament build is an understandable ask from their POV, especially with western politicians coming out and saying things like the peace talks were never serious and were generally used as a stalling tactic to basically get all those arms and training in place. Why would Russia not have that clause when between 2014-pre war, it saw deepening ties with NATO, with various advisers, various intel sharing and so on. It's conceivable Ukraine could use the deal as means to re-arm and basically get western supply chains in place for round 2. Ukraine doesn't have to be part of NATO to be pumped full of weapons again.



Populism and us using that populism to guide a country to a result we want is nothing new. They aren't mutually exclusive you get that right? All throughout the cold war we funded and backed right wing 'populists' across the globe while soviets backed their gorilla or rebel 'populists' and vice-versa.

If Jan 6th Trumpers which can be categorized as a populist movement, would have overthrown Biden, started jailing and killing Democrats, banned CNN and WAPO and so on, just because it was a populist movement, would that make it okay or?



15 million is an aggregate loss, including people that lived in Russian occupied territories. You do understand that not all people would claim refugee status or the millions that live in Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, etc wouldn't be getting captured in the refugee figures to Europe right? Ukraine had ~43MM pre-war inclusive of Crimea.

This is as of like 10 months ago. Since then Ukraine continues to lose people to emigration.



https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/however-war-ends-ukraines-diminished-population-will-hit-economy-years-2023-07-07/


You implied twice that 15 plus million fled the country.
Now your moving the goalposts to an aggregate loss.

Regardless. Its almost day 900 of imminent Russian victory.
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May 19 2024 12:23pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 19 2024 02:13pm)
You implied twice that 15 plus million fled the country.
Now your moving the goalposts to an aggregate loss.

Regardless. Its almost day 900 of imminent Russian victory.


Being pedantic. Point is 1/3 of the population is lost vs prior to war. Doesn’t make much difference to Ukrainian authorities trying to find bodies if it’s because people ended up in Europe or because they stayed in Russian taken lands.
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May 19 2024 12:26pm
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You implied twice that 15 plus million fled the country.
Now your moving the goalposts to an aggregate loss.

Regardless. Its almost day 900 of imminent Russian victory.


He's right you know. If a large chunk of your country is occupied you lose those people (and resources too BTW)
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May 19 2024 12:32pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 19 2024 07:26pm)
He's right you know. If a large chunk of your country is occupied you lose those people (and resources too BTW)


A large chunk of Scotland is populated by sheep. We have room and resources plenty :)
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Quote (Djunior @ May 19 2024 08:26pm)
He's right you know. If a large chunk of your country is occupied you lose those people (and resources too BTW)


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At least 12 million people have fled their homes since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the United Nations (UN) says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472
12 million is the lower bound 14-15 million is realistic.

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May 19 2024 11:38pm
Zelensky's presidential term is over. One more to the army of dictator midgets.
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Zelensky's presidential term is over. One more to the army of dictator midgets.


If Russian army leaves Ukraine, they could hold elections. Deal?





Drone can't get Ivan, if Ivan use the pot.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on May 20 2024 08:11am
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If Russian army leaves Ukraine, they could hold elections. Deal?


https://i.imgur.com/W0HCw4p.png


Drone can't get Ivan, if Ivan use the pot.


They can send mobilization subpoenas digitally via app so they could do the same with elections. Deal?
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They can send mobilization subpoenas digitally via app so they could do the same with elections. Deal?


I wouldn't complain of another countries democracy when you have a modern day tsar.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 20 May 2024 18:11)
I wouldn't complain of another countries democracy when you have a modern day tsar.

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