Quote (IceMage @ May 12 2024 07:31pm)
And I'm happy to make arguments defending America from more foreign misadventures that don't serve our national interests.
Ukrainian flags for Ukrainian people, its their country, their fight. If the Ukrainian people were so opposed to a national democracy that aligned with Russia they were willing to fight to overthrow it, well that's just following the footsteps of separatists and revolutionaries throughout history. Though most don't overthrow democracies for autocracies. And if the people of West Ukraine are unable to seize and subjugate the East Ukrainian oblasts by force and torture, murder and rape their women, well too bad, guess the east gets its self-determination. None of it is my concern.
America wasn't founded by militant radicals seeking to replace a king with their own despot. The founding fathers represented a compromise of divergent groups who were guided foremost by pragmatism, knowing what was
possible through revolution. They didn't lay claim to the crown's entire foreign empire or even territories neighboring the thirteen colonies like British North America (nowadays known as Tim Hortons) or the British West Indies. Or for that matter the Florida loyalist enclaves who fought for the crown in 1776 and were not claimed by the founding fathers- a territory which bounced back to Spain by conquest and was sold for $5 million a few decades later. The point being, the founding fathers knew what they could accomplish, the lands they
could claim for their new state, the colonies that stood united for a cause and sought democratic representation. So forgive me if I neither have any stake in the fate of the Ukrainians nor much sympathy for their opposite circumstance.