Happy to get temporarily suspended by making arguments defending Ukraine against Russia btw.



This post was edited by IceMage on May 12 2024 06:35pm

Yes the widespread killings and rapes , that's why millions of Ukrainians chose Russia as their home to get away from the war?

You're out of your element, don't you have some orange man bad thread to bump?

You mean the kids being forcefully deported from Ukraine to Russia?

I'm kind of astonished you would deny that Russia is murdering, torturing, and raping the Ukrainian populace. I thought you were one of those cold hearted realists who dealt with the world as it is, pretending that every actor is morally equivalent. You want to pretend Russia is a moral actor and then say I'm out of my element?

When did you lose your soul because of your weird alignment with Russia?

And I'm happy to make arguments defending America from more foreign misadventures that don't serve our national interests.
Ukrainian flags for Ukrainian people, its their country, their fight. If the Ukrainian people were so opposed to a national democracy that aligned with Russia they were willing to fight to overthrow it, well that's just following the footsteps of separatists and revolutionaries throughout history. Though most don't overthrow democracies for autocracies. And if the people of West Ukraine are unable to seize and subjugate the East Ukrainian oblasts by force and torture, murder and rape their women, well too bad, guess the east gets its self-determination. None of it is my concern.

America wasn't founded by militant radicals seeking to replace a king with their own despot. The founding fathers represented a compromise of divergent groups who were guided foremost by pragmatism, knowing what was possible through revolution. They didn't lay claim to the crown's entire foreign empire or even territories neighboring the thirteen colonies like British North America (nowadays known as Tim Hortons) or the British West Indies. Or for that matter the Florida loyalist enclaves who fought for the crown in 1776 and were not claimed by the founding fathers- a territory which bounced back to Spain by conquest and was sold for $5 million a few decades later. The point being, the founding fathers knew what they could accomplish, the lands they could claim for their new state, the colonies that stood united for a cause and sought democratic representation. So forgive me if I neither have any stake in the fate of the Ukrainians nor much sympathy for their opposite circumstance.

Glad to have your voice back within the circle.

It hints that Ukraine does not have a million "fighting men" in uniform and that conscription policy is a very contentious issue in contemporary Ukrainian politics.

f in chat

The vast majority of conflicts, including the American revolutionary war, end in negotiated settlement. From the point of view of someone who is very concerned about Taiwan, this entire conflict has been an unmitigated disaster. By drawing a line in the sand that we've been unable to hold, we've set Chinese expectations that a war over Taiwan might unfold in similar fashion.



I'm not sure Russia knows what to expect out of the Kharkiv front. It ties up Ukrainian reinforcements, it (might) get Russian lines within artillery range of Kharkiv proper, and they want to set the conditions for a subsequent offensive towards Kharkiv sometime down the road. It feels like they're prepared to put out feelers and go with what sticks.

This post was edited by bogie160 on May 12 2024 09:23pm

you dont make arguments, you are just repeating media talking points

the classic liberal armchair general, who wants ukraine to sacrifice everyone to fight an unwinnable war to the last man so you can feel morally superior

Netanyahu kill more children as Putin. So why some people more mad about Ukraine? Because victim not Muslim.