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May 2 2024 01:58pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 2 2024 01:42pm)
I posted the facts.

NATO welcomed Ukraine's future membership back in 2008 and NATO has been on a roll absorbing a whole bunch of countries that were all similar poverty stricken corrupt shit holes before they were absorbed into NATO and the EU

Some users here still accuse Hungary of those things just because they don't like Victor Orban FFS

You cannot possibly refute these facts you're wasting your time


Nothing i posted does "refute these facts", and i told that a few posts ago. then i told you that you're just too used to binary thought in this thread to realize it.

the powers that be want to sell US made weapons, and they want to counter russia. that's what i said.

then you somehow got the idea that selling weapons to new NATO members as we creep towards Russia is counter to that. its odd you even thought that somehow lol.
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May 2 2024 02:02pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 2 2024 09:58pm)
Nothing i posted does "refute these facts", and i told that a few posts ago. then i told you that you're just too used to binary thought in this thread to realize it.

the powers that be want to sell US made weapons, and they want to counter russia. that's what i said.

then you somehow got the idea that selling weapons to new NATO members as we creep towards Russia is counter to that. its odd you even thought that somehow lol.


Massive cope. Better get used to the idea it's a loss, that's what it is when you lose a war despite all the weapons you sold. Check US debt and report back here lol
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May 2 2024 02:13pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 2 2024 02:02pm)
Massive cope. Better get used to the idea it's a loss, that's what it is when you lose a war despite all the weapons you sold. Check US debt and report back here lol


I said many post ago russia would win, and that a group of globalists are fleecing the US tax payer.

why do you keep posting to me like you're disagreeing lol? am i speaking to chat GPT?
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May 2 2024 02:21pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 2 2024 08:42pm)
I posted the facts.

NATO welcomed Ukraine's future membership back in 2008 and NATO has been on a roll absorbing a whole bunch of countries that were all similar poverty stricken corrupt shit holes before they were absorbed into NATO and the EU

Some users here still accuse Hungary of those things just because they don't like Victor Orban FFS

You cannot possibly refute these facts you're wasting your time


Poverty stricken corrupt countries that used to be run by Moscow.

Go figure :rofl:
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May 2 2024 02:34pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 2 2024 10:13pm)
I said many post ago russia would win, and that a group of globalists are fleecing the US tax payer.

why do you keep posting to me like you're disagreeing lol? am i speaking to chat GPT?


You claim this -->

Quote (thesnipa @ May 2 2024 06:47pm)
to those who started it victory was never the goal. they have 2 goals:

1. force russia to overspend on a war that gains them very little

2. sell a lot of weapons, both to ukraine and the american tax payer

2008 or 2024. doesnt change either of those.


I posted the facts --> NATO enlargement it's undeniable

The facts matter here not your opinion ;)


Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 2 2024 10:21pm)
Poverty stricken corrupt countries that used to be run by Moscow.

Go figure :rofl:


They never managed to stand on their own feet after the USSR fell just like Ukraine

Yeah go figure lol

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May 2 2024 03:23pm
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-gazprom-group-reports-first-162545260.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMBvZC4A1jZ-WVH2W3Gih462LyY-fVepU_Y8qeVWo4YBdXZSq5M4uFg8ItEKfHh8lDxy1myOj_79yHnroErAA2yJDzD64luE_7RvlcQ7RHTPe9zK_193jqB8tmAPlXRxEznb-9gIEYL1nPGXndBNOWIWRPYJmO_PwPibF0lhJc4V

"Russia’s Gazprom Group Reports First Net Loss in 24 Years
Gazprom Group, which also includes oil and power businesses, posted a 629 billion-ruble"

How much is 600 billion rubles? About four pound fifty?
No big deal then, I guess the gas station limps forward :rolleyes:

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on May 2 2024 03:24pm
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 2 2024 11:23pm)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-gazprom-group-reports-first-162545260.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMBvZC4A1jZ-WVH2W3Gih462LyY-fVepU_Y8qeVWo4YBdXZSq5M4uFg8ItEKfHh8lDxy1myOj_79yHnroErAA2yJDzD64luE_7RvlcQ7RHTPe9zK_193jqB8tmAPlXRxEznb-9gIEYL1nPGXndBNOWIWRPYJmO_PwPibF0lhJc4V

"Russia’s Gazprom Group Reports First Net Loss in 24 Years
Gazprom Group, which also includes oil and power businesses, posted a 629 billion-ruble"

How much is 600 billion rubles? About four pound fifty?
No big deal then, I guess the gas station limps forward :rolleyes:


Meanwhile in the UK --> https://commodity.com/data/uk/debt-clock/

Debt as % of GDP (drumroll) --> 123.82%

Only £71,006,965,392 interest per year :thumbsup:
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 2 May 2024 23:23)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-gazprom-group-reports-first-162545260.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMBvZC4A1jZ-WVH2W3Gih462LyY-fVepU_Y8qeVWo4YBdXZSq5M4uFg8ItEKfHh8lDxy1myOj_79yHnroErAA2yJDzD64luE_7RvlcQ7RHTPe9zK_193jqB8tmAPlXRxEznb-9gIEYL1nPGXndBNOWIWRPYJmO_PwPibF0lhJc4V

"Russia’s Gazprom Group Reports First Net Loss in 24 Years
Gazprom Group, which also includes oil and power businesses, posted a 629 billion-ruble"

How much is 600 billion rubles? About four pound fifty?
No big deal then, I guess the gas station limps forward :rolleyes:

The exchange rate is 91 rubles to 1 usd, so about $6.59 billion.

From the article:
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While Gazprom continues to ship pipeline gas to several European countries, last year its flows to Europe fell to the lowest since the early 1970s, according to International Energy Agency estimates.
This year Russia expects its gas shipments via pipelines to foreign markets will increase 18% this year to 108 billion cubic meters compared with 2023, as the Power of Siberia link to China gradually reaches its nameplate capacity. But even as more supplies head to China, it can’t offset the loss of the European market.

That's what I've been saying for the past 18 months: Russia cannot easily replace the European market when it comes to natural gas. Oil might be a different story since it's much more fungible (although the increased shipping costs to place like India cut into their profit margins compared to oil pipelines). Just like I already predicted 18 months ago that Russia's surprisingly robust revenue in 2022, in spite of the Western sanctions, would be a one-off, a windfall profit from the turmoil on the global energy markets which had sent prices soaring. Well, now, the dust has finally settled, prices have come back down to earth and Russia's financial situation suddenly looks a lot less rosy.

Doesn't mean that Russia is finished, or about to run out of steam on the battlefield anytime soon - but it does mean that it will get increasingly difficult for Putin to hide the true costs of this war from the Russian people.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 3 2024 03:29am)
The exchange rate is 91 rubles to 1 usd, so about $6.59 billion.

From the article:

That's what I've been saying for the past 18 months: Russia cannot easily replace the European market when it comes to natural gas. Oil might be a different story since it's much more fungible (although the increased shipping costs to place like India cut into their profit margins compared to oil pipelines). Just like I already predicted 18 months ago that Russia's surprisingly robust revenue in 2022, in spite of the Western sanctions, would be a one-off, a windfall profit from the turmoil on the global energy markets which had sent prices soaring. Well, now, the dust has finally settled, prices have come back down to earth and Russia's financial situation suddenly looks a lot less rosy.

Doesn't mean that Russia is finished, or about to run out of steam on the battlefield anytime soon - but it does mean that it will get increasingly difficult for Putin to hide the true costs of this war from the Russian people.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_in_the_United_States

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The United States became the largest producer of crude oil of any nation in history in 2023.[3] Natural gas production reached record highs.[4] Employment in oil and gas extraction peaked at 267,000 in March 1982, and totaled 199,500 in March 2024.[5]
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May 2 2024 07:50pm
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Which argument are you trying to make?
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