d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russia / Ukraine
Prev1424642474248424942505001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 20,044
Joined: Apr 13 2016
Gold: 32,397.50
Apr 18 2024 09:15am
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 18 2024 04:11pm)
In this post you basically confirm that you believe that the West can make the rules and give the orders lmao

International law doesn't apply to Israel and it's Zionist supporters :rolleyes:


Of course it does and should.

Yet also states have a right to defend themselves.

Israel and the IRGC are and have been at war for longer than just October 7th.
The Iranian regime chant death to Israel and death to America at rallies daily.
This is not a regime that should be considered compatible with a rules based order intended to foster prosperity.
Member
Posts: 20,044
Joined: Apr 13 2016
Gold: 32,397.50
Apr 18 2024 09:16am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 18 2024 04:14pm)
lets try another way:

Imagine you have a clubhouse where you and your friends play together. Each friend has their own little space in the clubhouse that they call their own. Now, imagine if someone came and broke one of your friend's spaces, making it unsafe for them to play. You would feel upset, right? Well, countries have something like clubhouses too. They're called embassies or consulates. These are places where people from one country go to talk to people from another country. It's a bit like a clubhouse for grown-ups where they discuss important things to keep peace and solve problems. Now, if someone were to break into one of these embassies and hurt the people or damage the place, it's like breaking the rules of the clubhouse. It's not fair or right. If nobody says anything about it, it's like nobody is telling that person it's wrong to break the rules.

So, if bombing of diplomatic missions in countries isn't condemned, it means nobody is saying it's wrong. But it's important for everyone to say it's wrong because hurting people and breaking things isn't how we solve problems. We need to talk and work together peacefully, just like friends do in a clubhouse, to make things better for everyone.


Speak in literal terms man. Say what you mean.
Member
Posts: 56,391
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 579,208.49
Apr 18 2024 09:17am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 18 2024 04:16pm)
Speak in literal terms man. Say what you mean.


I cant help it if you cant understand what was just said, by multiple people. I explained my position repeatedly. It not my problem that you cant understand the explanations provided.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 18 2024 09:20am
Member
Posts: 20,044
Joined: Apr 13 2016
Gold: 32,397.50
Apr 18 2024 09:20am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 18 2024 04:17pm)
I cant help it if you cant understand what was just said, by multiple people. thats not my problem.


Your attempts at explaining your own obvious hypocrisy surmounts to utter rambling garbage.

Speak literally and make a concise argument or don't. Both are fine.
Member
Posts: 56,391
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 579,208.49
Apr 18 2024 09:34am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 18 2024 04:20pm)
Your attempts at explaining your own obvious hypocrisy surmounts to utter rambling garbage.

Speak literally and make a concise argument or don't. Both are fine.


There you go again with personal attacks. Its literally your go-to. You call me a hypocrite because you have repeatedly failed to understand my position. Even when I use chatGPT and use a prompt "explain to a 12 year old" you still dont get it. That is a YOU problem, not MY problem.

We are talking about international norms. Your position, by your own words, is that Iran's consulate in Syria is not comparable to any other consulate in the world (presumable inferring its fair game to bomb it). But the fact is, it was a consulate, internationally recognized as such, even if you personally view it differently from every other consulate in the world. Whether they organized terrorist acts against Israel is not relevant (im sure they did).

To bring this back on Topic, it is clear that Russia would not directly bomb a US consulate. It is also clear that the US would not directly bomb a Russian consulate. While the US has scuppered all peace plans between Russia and Ukraine, and is refusing to engage (meaningfully) diplomatically with Russia, nevertheless it keeps its diplomatic mission to Russia open in order to have relevant conversations when the need arises, notwithstanding any conflict that exists from time to time (like now). Yes diplomatic missions are closed down when the shit hits the fan and there is a failure in diplomacy but there is a reason why diplomatic missions are not to be touched.

You are full of assumptions and spend more time throwing insults then providing meaningful conversation. Russia can be condemned for invading Ukraine but the invasion of Ukraine did not happen in a vaccuum. There is such a thing as cause and effect. The fact that you cant comprehend this is again, NOT MY PROBLEM.

The Russia-Ukraine conflict is based on Nato over-reaching.
The Israeli-Palestine conflict is based on one side, over decades kicking its ethnic minorities out.

While there are similarities in each conflict there are fundamental differences. The fact that you dont get this, is, again, NOT MY PROBLEM.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 18 2024 09:49am
Member
Posts: 20,044
Joined: Apr 13 2016
Gold: 32,397.50
Apr 18 2024 09:39am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 18 2024 04:34pm)
There you go again with personal attacks. Its literally your go-to. You call me a hypocrite because you have repeatedly failed to understand my position. Even when I use chatGPT and use a prompt "explain to a 12 year old" you still dont get it. That is a YOU problem, not MY problem.

We are talking about international norms. Your position, by your own words, is that Iran's consulate in Syria is not comparable to any other consulate in the world (presumable inferring its fair game to bomb it). But the fact is, it was a consulate, internationally recognized as such, even if you personally view it differently from every other consulate in the world. Whether they organized terrorist acts against Israel is not relevant (im sure they did).

To bring this back on Topic, it is clear that Russia would not directly bomb a US consulate. It is also clear that the US would not directly bomb a Russian consulate. While the US has scuppered all peace plans between Russia and Ukraine, and is refusing to engage (meaningfully) diplomatically with Russia, nevertheless it keeps its diplomatic mission to Russia open in order to have relevant conversations when the need arises, notwithstanding any conflict that exists from time to time (like now).

You are full of assumptions and spend more time throwing insults then providing meaningful conversation. Russia can be condemned for invading Ukraine but the invasion of Ukraine did not happen in a vaccuum. There is such a thing as cause and effect. The fact that you cant comprehend this is again, NOT MY PROBLEM.


Not at all a personal attack, another one of your go to tropes. I am arguing against your argument of lack thereof. I don't give a flying fuck about you personally. But your positions and arguments are utter garbage and I'm calling them out.
Its the same thing over and over with you. When pressed to explain the obvious hypocrisy you just can't do it.

Make absurd hypocritical condemnation of one actor and simultaneously justify another's identical and even worse behaviour.
Post some chatGPT drivel.
Make some rhetorical abstract explanation.
Refuse to explain in literal terms.
Claim a personal attack.

Rinse and repeat.

Don't post garbage in a public forum if you don't expect to that garbage to be scrutinised.

Member
Posts: 56,391
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 579,208.49
Apr 18 2024 09:50am


Am I allowed to giggle at the above ? its not construed as a personal attack right? did he just flame himself ?
Member
Posts: 9,696
Joined: Mar 2 2006
Gold: 1,590.00
Apr 18 2024 10:10am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 18 Apr 2024 17:08)
Absolutely it does.

As does poisoning former citizens with novichok in foreign counrries or invading your neighbouring country and causing untold destruction and deaths of half a million people.

Which act is ostensibly more destabilising to the rules based order?

Hypocrites will say Israel is breaking international law but justify Russias invasion of Ukraine in the same breath.

Ferdia is a hypocrite for that.


You started deflecting, ergo admitting your defeat.

Thanks.
Member
Posts: 15,952
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 102,354.50
Apr 18 2024 10:48am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 18 2024 05:50pm)
^Djunior

Am I allowed to giggle at the above ? its not construed as a personal attack right? did he just flame himself ?


lmao

It's always the same with that user. Hopeless case SMH
Member
Posts: 5,377
Joined: Feb 5 2022
Gold: 2,200.11
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1424642474248424942505001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll