I never proposed an alternative link the post where I did

Its not even close to that.

"the West making the rules and giving the orders"

That is the most false and unproven statement you've possibly ever made.

Hilarious.

You completely failed to explain the West's behavior when it comes to a suggested NS probe or when it comes to Israeli atrocities and you obviously can't which is why you dodge

Seems like the West only apply the "rules" when it's in their favor huh

e: BTW I'm still waiting for you to link the post where I suggested an alternative

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 18 2024 05:33am

Reportedly Ukraine approved the final version of the mobilization bill which includes penalties for supposed draft dodgers like revoking consular services and driver licenses

oh, i thought someone was referring to you frothing at the mouth. i guess

The fact that Israel attacked multiple countries prior to Iran's response, is not relevant. What is relevant is the volume used by Iran. We are talking about escalated conflict. While most rationale people can agree that the Israeli government are the aggressors, that its an apartheid state, that its committing ethnic cleansing and genocide, brutalizing their minorities while they starve the palestinians dead, the point is whether Iran's response was disproportionate.

And the answer is clearly yes. The fact that Iran minimized the loss of life and is departed from Israels brutal collective punishment approach to a civilian population merely highlights that Iran is more humane (or say rather, less barbaric) then Israel, it does not change the fact that Iran's attack was a disproportionate response, irrespective of the fact that the loss of life was incredibly low. From a geo-political standpoint, it can be construed as a disproportionate response, especially when noting the inferiority complex of Israeli society "they want to wipe us off the map". A proportionate response, as I already said, would be for Iran to blow up an Israeli consulate/diplomatic mission.

We are not talking about right or wrong, morals or any of that fluff here. We are talking about a country launching a volume of weapons at another in response to an attack on a consulate/diplomatic mission.

very conscious this is the Russia topic. copy/paste this across in case you have any follow ups.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 18 2024 06:07am

nevermind. Russia topic.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 18 2024 06:22am

The same can be said for Belarus, North Korea, Iran and for a long time China refusing to condemn Russias invasion of Ukraine.

Which act is ostensibly more threatening to prosperity?
A strike by Israel targeting IRGC generals whose stated objectice is the destruction of Israel.
Or the full scale invasion of Ukraine leading to the deaths of half a million people.

The rules based order has prevented a global war and fostered the conditions for free trade and prosperity for close to a century now.

Advocating against that is advocating for less prosperity, less freedom and for redrawing national borders by use of miltary force.

Matters relating to Israel, i will respond to, in the Israeli topic.

If X country bombed Y country's Consulate / Diplomatic mission, it should be condemned, by everyone, regardless of the name of country X or Y. If you do not apply a universal rules based order because it does not suit you then you have to accept the destabilizing impact it will have on future events, and you have to accept the hypocrisy of the "rules based order". a coup followed by cluster bombing your own people, ethnically cleansing your own people, supported by a superpower, led to Russia invading Ukraine in protest and the shit show we have. you can transpose this to what is happening in Gaza and the wider risk in that region, and the world, currently.

Anyone that does not condemn an attack on any diplomatic mission, in history, is intellectually challenged.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 18 2024 06:40am

Woah, back up.

Your intentionally justifying Russia's invasion of Ukraine whilst simultaneously condemning Israel killing IRGC commanders.

I mean I'm not surprised. But that hurts your arguments credibility in my opinion.

Would also add that claiming the "consulate" in Damascus was somehow comparable to an actual consulate anywhere else in the world is ridiculous.
This compound was packed with IRGC commanders planning the facilitation of weapons supplied to Hezbollah. A group that actively fires rockets into Israel.

This is not a place where students turn up to get visas. This is a military headquarters essentially.

There is legitimate reasons to take these actors out.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Apr 18 2024 08:05am