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The current rules based order has been in place since 1945. Since then the largest increase of living standards of the largest amount of people in human history has occurred.
A global war has been avoided.

That's not a coincidence.

Anyone arguing against that is firstly incredibly ignorant and not providing an alternative that is better.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 18 2024 12:56pm)
Which rules and which orders?


I'll refer you to my previous post
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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 18 2024 12:01pm)
I'll refer you to my previous post


Dodge.

The UN is not the West.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 18 2024 01:04pm)
Dodge.


I don't need your games

I stated two clear examples that you haven't even replied to

Go ;)
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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 18 2024 12:05pm)
I don't need your games

I stated two clear examples that you haven't even replied to

Go ;)


You stated nothing. The UN is made of 193 member nations that all have a vote.

The fact you think your making any kind of point is hilarious.

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If you hit an embassy, a proportionate response would be for them to hit one of yours. The sheer volume of ordinance used, and the type of weapons used, is a disproportionate, escalatory response. take any two countries.

Country A blows up an embassy
Country B launches ballistic missiles

thats a disproportionate response, regardless/irrespective of life lost (or not lost).

There are of course huge glaring considerations here:

1. Israel collectively punishing Palestine / their ethnic arab minorities (pick one), mass slaughter of civilians.
2. Iran telegraphing the attack, aiming at locations to ensure the minimum amount of fatalities.

To hit an Israeli embassy would involve attacking another country as well though, wouldn't that be worse? To me that seems like more of an escalation

Regarding ordinance, if they used less nothing would have gotten through, the amount and timings were clearly intended to overwhelm AD and allow a small amount to hit. Iran knew this, everyone reporting on it while it was happening did as well, I was watching live most of the night and multiple analysts mentioned this before anything even arrived. That's why I don't view the amount as a big deal really.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 18 2024 01:07pm)
You stated nothing. The UN is made of 193 member nations that all have a vote.

The fact you think your making any kind of point is hilarious.


The US is not part of the West?

Why did the US veto the Russian NS investigation proposal?

Go and no longer dodge ;)

E: Secondly why is Israel not facing consequences for their obvious breach of international rules (bombing of Iranian embassy and Gaza genocide)?

??

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The US is not part of the West?

Why did the US veto the Russian NS investigation proposal?

Go and no longer dodge ;)


A nothing burger. 3 votes in favour and 12 abstentions.

Provide an alternative to the rules based order that is an improvement. I'll wait.

If it includes illegal annexation of neighbouring countries, I'd have to question the legitimacy of your suggestion.
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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 18 2024 12:10pm)
The US is not part of the West?

Why did the US veto the Russian NS investigation proposal?

Go and no longer dodge ;)

E: Secondly why is Israel not facing consequences for their obvious breach of international rules (bombing of Iranian embassy and Gaza genocide)?

??


Consequences such as?

Come on, this is your chance to outline your new world order.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 18 2024 01:15pm)
A nothing burger. 3 votes in favour and 12 abstentions.

Provide an alternative to the rules based order that is an improvement. I'll wait.

If it includes illegal annexation of neighbouring countries, I'd have to question the legitimacy of your suggestion.


A nothingburger? Get outa here lol

It's exactly what I said before --> the West making the rules and giving the orders

If there's an issue like NS suddenly the "rules based order" goes out of the window

I never posted "a better alternative" if I did link my post I'll wait
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