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Apr 15 2024 08:19pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 15 2024 08:00pm)
Pretty Much it. 2 mins of truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgG_fLNBv6A


Well know interview but the U.S still completely messed it up in the 90's in their relation with Russia: they celebrated the "victory" over the end of USSR, mocked and neglected the new regime.
Didn't even try to help during the horrible economic collapse. Opportunists and gangsters/mafia bought back all the state-owned companies from the stupidly uninformed population.

Over this pile of crap Putin emerged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization_in_Russia

"most people were not well-informed about the nature of the program or were very poor, they were quick to sell their vouchers for money"

Yep they sold their shares for vodka (or wine) to get drunk for a week. Anyone reading this topic should be aware of what happened.
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155 bros....this wasn't supposed to happen:

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Went from 60 to 48, with a sizable chunk of that basically replenishing DOD stocks, and that’s supposed to bring them over the hump? In 2023 they got over 100bn from the US alone with collective west crowdfunding all types of ammo and hardware from every corner or Europe and everywhere else. 48 billion won’t make a difference in this war. Prolong it, yes, but not much more.

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Went from 60 to 48, with a sizable chunk of that basically replenishing DOD stocks, and that’s supposed to bring them over the hump? In 2023 they got over 100bn from the US alone with collective west crowdfunding all types of ammo and hardware from every corner or Europe and everywhere else. 48 billion won’t make a difference in this war. Prolong it, yes, but not much more.

I'm not sure how accurate these numbers will be, the math on the page doesn't quite add up so there may be more for Ukraine than is listed yet. Either way I think you are right that it won't make a huge difference.

I don't think it will end anytime soon unfortunately, it seems very useful as a money laundering tool and as a means of controlling Europe via trade/sanctions/military agreements so I think prolonging it is the name of the game. Even if the US backs out after the election, money will probably just get filtered through Europe so it can be maintained for quite awhile even in that scenario.
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Russia takes the decision to mobilise all available garden sheds to oppose the Nazi, NATO, opulent imperial menace of Ukraines right to self determination





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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 15 2024 04:10pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biLCLpBirMA

Read those comments ^^


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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 16 2024 11:55am)
Russia takes the decision to mobilise all available garden sheds to oppose the Nazi, NATO, opulent imperial menace of Ukraines right to self determination


https://i.ibb.co/SXKfS0C/russian-tank-similar-to-the-before-seen-tank-which-was-v0-e7mqb7nfusuc1.png


https://i.ibb.co/PjWJJSz/russian-tank-similar-to-the-before-seen-tank-which-was-v0-8jnu6wpfusuc1.png


thats just a normal tank with added outer layer ( and dead space between main armor and outer-layer) If it increases survivability, they will adopt it on more tanks with a more industrial design.

There is nothing wrong with testing things in a developing military space, if anything refusal to test is a weakness. Not long ago ukranians were laughing at "copium tanks", yet isrealis are also using them now.

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thats just a normal tank with added outer layer ( and dead space between main armor and outer-layer) If it increases survivability, they will adopt it on more tanks with a more industrial design.

There is nothing wrong with testing things in a developing military space, if anything refusal to test is a weakness. Not long ago ukranians were laughing at "copium tanks", yet isrealis are also using them now.


One man's outer armour is another man's corrugated iron shed.
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Denys is always motivated and interested in flying things.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 16 2024 03:44am)
Went from 60 to 48, with a sizable chunk of that basically replenishing DOD stocks, and that’s supposed to bring them over the hump? In 2023 they got over 100bn from the US alone with collective west crowdfunding all types of ammo and hardware from every corner or Europe and everywhere else. 48 billion won’t make a difference in this war. Prolong it, yes, but not much more.


"In 2023 they got over 100bn from the US alone"

Source for that?

The total of the military aid from the US to Ukraine over the entire conflict, since Feb 2022 is $44.2 billion.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.
"To date, we have provided approximately $44.2 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion against Ukraine on February 24, 2022"

Much of that is still yet to even arrive in Ukraine or be fully operational.
So if another $48 billion is pledged that would constitute another 105% of what has already been pledged, over 2 years already.
Being generous here then you've only overestimated the military aid by $56 billion dollars and wrongly attributed that amount to 1 year instead of 2 years.

Hopefully that doesn't obliterate the point you were making.
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