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Jul 19 2021 04:30pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 19 2021 02:04pm)
It's still a fact that the whole rhetoric around "flatten the curve" made it seem as if the timeline until the end of restrictions would be something like 4-8 weeks, rather than 68++ weeks that have passed since the first lockdowns in New York.

In a March 20th, 2020 interview, Fauci himself responded to a question about how long the lockdown and the restrictions would have to continue with "at least several more weeks". While not a definitive number, this phrasing clearly suggests that Fauci was thinking about a number smaller than a dozen or so.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fauci-predicts-americans-will-likely-need-stay-home-least-several-n1164701


Note that other public health experts had, at that point in time, already been settled on the idea that societies would need to suppress (and not just flatten) case numbers for the 12-18 months they expected it to take until vaccines or effective treatments. So those prominent experts, like Fauci, who gave the people the impression that the timeline for restrictions would only be very limited, were knowingly misleading the public - presumably to lull the people into "lockdown culture" and avoid an outcry or a refusal to comply.


I think you're thinking about these things in a binary way when there's a lot of wiggle room. What do you consider a lock-down? To me, a lock-down is equal to "stay at home orders combined with only essential businesses are open." How long did that last? Mask mandates, social distancing, and limited capacities are not lockdowns IMO.
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Jul 19 2021 04:35pm
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Assuming an adequate and robust response, which most countries did not have.


Name me a single country which is neither an island (or de facto island in the case of SK) nor an authoritarian dictatorship that got covid under control without ongoing, severe restrictions of contacts and social life.

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Jul 19 2021 04:38pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 19 2021 03:23pm)
That's just not true. Four days prior to the aforementioned Fauci interview, Neil Ferguson from Imperial College London had published his infamous paper in which he discussed mitigation ("flatten the curve") vs suppression (lockdown) strategies:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

The key conclusions he drew were the following:


And a few paragraphs earlier, he wrote:



This paper made huge winds and was widely discussed by public health experts and government advisors all around the world. Fauci must have been aware of it when he gave this interview, yet he chose words which quite clearly suggested that people would only need to hang on for a relatively manageable period of time until restrictions end.


yes.. I know how people could be pissed at the luke warm message. I never took this as it was ever going to get better. The only way I saw this going well was the Taiwan tracing blah blah.. Was NEVER going to happen in the US.
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Jul 19 2021 04:40pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Jul 2021 00:35)
Name me a single country which is neither an island (or de facto island in the case of SK) nor an authoritarian dictatorship that got covid under control without ongoing, severe restrictions of contacts and social life.


BJ asking for a pass to be able to go in night clubs, today. :lol:
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I think you're thinking about these things in a binary way when there's a lot of wiggle room. What do you consider a lock-down? To me, a lock-down is equal to "stay at home orders combined with only essential businesses are open." How long did that last? Mask mandates, social distancing, and limited capacities are not lockdowns IMO.


I would call that a "full lockdown". However, when you have limits on social contacts akin to "you may only meet one person who's not from your household at a time" while workplaces are open, but schools, universities, clubs, restaurants, shops, tourism, gyms, amateur sports and so on an forth are all shut down, I would call that a lockdown too. Call it a "partial lockdown" if you will, but restrictions of this magnitude do qualify as a lockdown in my book.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 19 2021 03:41pm)
I would call that a "full lockdown". However, when you have limits on social contacts akin to "you may only meet one person who's not from your household at a time" while workplaces are open, but schools, universities, clubs, restaurants, shops, tourism, gyms, amateur sports and so on an forth are all shut down, I would call that a lockdown too. Call it a "partial lockdown" if you will, but restrictions of this magnitude do qualify as a lockdown in my book.


I don't think mask mandates and keeping everyone 6 feet apart is that drastic and I would not even consider that a lockdown in anyway. We should be moving away from packing everyone in buses like sardines anyway.

I also think that officials severely underestimated the politicization and stupidity of Americans. We really should have had Pelosi going to conservative areas telling them to go out to the movies and eat Chinese food for a year straight so that they would stay at home.

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I don't think mask mandates and keeping everyone 6 feet apart is that drastic and I would not even consider that a lockdown in anyway. We should be moving away from packing everyone in buses like sardines anyway.

I also think that officials severely underestimated the politicization and stupidity of Americans. We really should have had Pelosi going to conservative areas telling them to go out to the movies and eat Chinese food for a year straight so that they would stay at home.


Hanging out with friends and family while staying 6 feet apart would be tolerable. It's not having any worthwhile free time activities available, other than sitting in the park or at home in front of a TV, which is the killer.

School closures are a HUGE restriction which robs our children of education and future life opportunities, hampers their social and emotional development and exacerbates all kinds of preexisting inequalities. I would even go as far as calling school closures which last for months on end a state-sanctioned crime against our children.

And let't not even talk about the millions of people who were literally stripped of their livelihood by these restrictions, for example all the people working in leisure, hospitality, culture, private education and so on. Or think of all the young folks who are single and barely had options for dating for months on end.




Sure, an introvert with a white collar job who can work from home, has a nice apartment/house, a family and doesnt have to worry financially will not be all that affected by these restrictions. But many others are hit infinitely harder.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 19 2021 03:28pm)
Assuming an adequate and robust response, which most countries did not have.


false. flatten the curve was only to slow down the spread so hospitals didnt get over run and then we would live with it. not a whole lot happened so to keep up the panic more severe lockdowns and a mask mandate was passed here in califorina idiotic mask mandate in july (middle of summer)........fukn covidiots

here is a look back when it was rational. lol boris the clown even had his hair combed. lol google boris hair

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Hanging out with friends and family while staying 6 feet apart would be tolerable. It's not having any worthwhile free time activities available, other than sitting in the park or at home in front of a TV, which is the killer.

School closures are a HUGE restriction which robs our children of education and future life opportunities, hampers their social and emotional development and exacerbates all kinds of preexisting inequalities. I would even go as far as calling school closures which last for months on end a state-sanctioned crime against our children.

And let't not even talk about the millions of people who were literally stripped of their livelihood by these restrictions, for example all the people working in leisure, hospitality, culture, private education and so on. Or think of all the young folks who are single and barely had options for dating for months on end.




Sure, an introvert with a white collar job who can work from home, has a nice apartment/house, a family and doesnt have to worry financially will not be all that affected by these restrictions. But many others are hit infinitely harder.


All the things that you mentioned can coexist with a mask mandate and social distancing requirement. We can even has smaller restrictions for outdoor activities such as attending baseball games. As I said before, these shouldn't be considered a "lockdown" in any sense of the word.

I agree that schools should be open and LOL at young people not able to date. There's literally no way to enforce that unless you physically lock people in their homes.
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Quote (thundercock @ Jul 19 2021 04:59pm)
All the things that you mentioned can coexist with a mask mandate and social distancing requirement. We can even has smaller restrictions for outdoor activities such as attending baseball games. As I said before, these shouldn't be considered a "lockdown" in any sense of the word.

I agree that schools should be open and LOL at young people not able to date. There's literally no way to enforce that unless you physically lock people in their homes.


has to be something really wrong with people that still believe masks stop the cootie. its probably the most disgusting practice ever imagined up wearing a mask day in and day out filled with all kinds of gross stuff. it just makes sense the lefties are so enamored with it.
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