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Apr 8 2024 05:04pm
Quote (ownyaah @ 9 Apr 2024 00:28)
Agree completely. But it feels like china should´ve taken taiwan circa 2010s?

The longer they wait, it seems like capabilities are developing in a way where amphibious operations seem more risky and less likely to work

I used to think taiwan would taken diplomatically over time, but it seems less and less likely


During the 2010s, the PLA probably didn't have the capacity yet to break an American sea blockade. They've been stockpiling anti-ship missiles for years in an attempt to drive the US navy further and further away from the Chinese coast by threatening to overwhelm the defense of the US carrier groups; far enough that they eventually can't interfere anymore when China invades Taiwan. This goes back to the discussion about modern warfare moving away from having huge, sluggish, billion dollar targets.

Also note that China has very much been "winning" the economic competition between East and West. Time used to be generally on their side (and probably still is), so why take any risks?

And then there's also the issue that the PLA, unlike the Russian, Iranian or American military, is not battle-tested or battle-hardened at all. What if China starts a big war and then their troops turn out to be total failures? (Which is something that has happened to a lot of nations throughout history after they hadn't fought actual wars for decades.)

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Apr 2024 07:04)
During the 2010s, the PLA probably didn't have the capacity yet to break an American sea blockade. They've been stockpiling anti-ship missiles for years in an attempt to drive the US navy further and further away from the Chinese coast by threatening to overwhelm the defense of the US carrier groups; far enough that they eventually can't interfere anymore when China invades Taiwan. This goes back to the discussion about modern warfare moving away from having huge, sluggish, billion dollar targets.

Also note that China has very much been "winning" the economic competition between East and West. Time used to be generally on their side (and probably still is), so why take any risks?

And then there's also the issue that the PLA, unlike the Russian, Iranian or American military, is not battle-tested or battle-hardened at all. What if China starts a big war and then their troops turn out to be total failures? (Which is something that has happened to a lot of nations throughout history after they hadn't fought actual wars for decades.)




Not exactly. :lol: I know ............ first hand.......even now.....I know what is happening inside....not too good . :lol:

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 9 Apr 2024 01:15)
Not exactly. :lol: I know ............ first hand.......even now.....I know what is happening inside....not too good . :lol:


Sure, thing's aren't going well inside China right now, but the same is true for the West.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 8 2024 05:46pm)
I don’t really think we’ve seen the final form of what drone warfare looks like. In the future I think we’re going to see swarms of these, maybe a few hundred at a time with decoys, etc that will make it increasingly difficult to nip all. They’re also getting cheaper and cheaper.


Yes. What people don't understand is that even the freaking houthis have figured out that if you throw a bunch of shaheds at a destroyer, the destroyer wastes all its SM- class (1-10 mil a pop) missles shooting them down and then all they need is one AShM missle and bye bye floating graveyard and cwis systems (phalanx) can't shoot these down. There have been numerous blue team vs red team scenarios done in the past explaining this but now the west is realizing this in real time.

The same thing was happening with Russia against the Patriot battery's. The were firing duds at it to figure out its operational range and at what speed it operates, this is the reason why they switched to glide bombs and use hypersonics at will, you can simply overwhelm this multi billion dollar systems with lawnmower engines and a go pro.
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Quote (zorzin @ 9 Apr 2024 01:53)
Yes. What people don't understand is that even the freaking houthis have figured out that if you throw a bunch of shaheds at a destroyer, the destroyer wastes all its SM- class (1-10 mil a pop) missles shooting them down and then all they need is one AShM missle and bye bye floating graveyard and cwis systems (phalanx) can't shoot these down. There have been numerous blue team vs red team scenarios done in the past explaining this but now the west is realizing this in real time.

The same thing was happening with Russia against the Patriot battery's. The were firing duds at it to figure out its operational range and at what speed it operates, this is the reason why they switched to glide bombs and use hypersonics at will, you can simply overwhelm this multi billion dollar systems with lawnmower engines and a go pro.

Sure, but then again: does anyone seriously believe that the world will be unable to figure out how to defend against drones in the long run?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 8 Apr 2024 21:17)
Sure, but then again: does anyone seriously believe that the world will be unable to figure out how to defend against drones in the long run?


They already know how it's just half the people in this thread don't understand how "warfare works".

Namely never showing your enemy your true strengths. Let alone making available to the world your weaknesses.

It's like people thinking the US military is "weaker then it's ever been". Ok put that to the test and find out. Talk is cheap. Bombs are cheaper.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 8 2024 10:17pm)
Sure, but then again: does anyone seriously believe that the world will be unable to figure out how to defend against drones in the long run?


Well the most effective direct countermeasure so far is
EA/ EW/eccm
(Electronic counter measures) aka "frequency jamming' but the problem is that these systems are expensive and light up like Christmas trees once activated so they become juicy targets (hence why Russia has lost alot of these units)

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-fall-and-rise-of-russian-electronic-warfare

Imo, the future of zoomer warfare will be a never ending cycle of radio jamming vs anti-jamming technology, as cheaply made drones have changed the nature of how warfare works. The real battle will be if the west can produce cheaply and easily portable EW systems cause no one is beating iran/China is quantity any time soon.
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Apr 9 2024 03:59am
When you go full war economy. Anything is possible comrade.


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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 9 2024 06:59am)
When you go full war economy. Anything is possible comrade.


https://i.ibb.co/Y8qJF0T/Screenshot-20240409-105719-Chrome.jpg

This is clearly a W
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mobile_Cathedral
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