Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 7 2024 07:11pm)

Are they? From what I've seen, there are far more Chechens fighting on Russia's side (Kadyrovites, Akhmat) than on the Ukrainian side.

In any case, an alliance between radical islamists and Ukraine doesn't make a lot of sense for either side. Ukraine is wholly dependent on continued Western support, so sponsoring or planning terrorist attacks risks that. For ISIS-K, associating themselves with a heavily atheist country led by a Jew and supported by the "great satan" America, would risk diminishing their reputation in the Muslim world.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the ideological fault lines in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and the "islamists versus non-muslim cultures" conflict seem to be orthogonal to each other.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 7 2024 08:40pm)

Although for context,
Ukraine is one of least densely populated countries on the continent.
Gaza is an extremely densely populated area, or at least it was.
Ukraine has a clearly delineated army.
Hamas is embedded within civilian infrastructure and Palestinian society.

None of this is cheerleading for Israel. Its pointing out obvious hypocrisy between justifying Russia's invasion and deriding Israel reaction to Hamas invading Israel.
I don't agree with Israels methods. I do agree that Hamas should be decimated to a level where it cannot commit an attack like October 7th, ever again.

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 8 2024 09:58am)

^Prox1m1ty you keep asking the same question related to Russia's rationale for Invading Ukraine. Both in this topic and the Israeli topic. While you have been provided with a response repeatedly in this topic, you have repeatedly reiterated that you are not accepting our response as a rationale. You also compare the two, when in fact the scenario's are quite different.

You asked a good question yesterday related to the different between Gaza(and the West Bank) and Israel vs Ukraine and Russia.



If, say, a neutral observer wanted to say Gaza was Ukraine you would have to do the follow:

1. Topple the Hamas government in Gaza.
2. Install a pro-western government in Gaza.
3. Arm Gaza to the teeth and tell them to wait 8 years until they are ready.
4. Offer Gaza Nato Membership, ignore Israeli protests.
5. Scout Israel, give Gaza long range missiles, weapons etc to attack Israel.

If, say, a neutral observer wanted to say Ukraine was Gaza you would have to do the following:

1. Russia invade and claim 97.7% of Ukraine. (2% PA, 0.3% Hamas territory)
2. Russia would have to ethnically cleanses greater Ukraine and move them all to that 2.3% area
3. Russia would then bomb that area with 2000lbs bombs.

The fact is that Gaza is the underdog (like Ukraine is) but the US is funding the top Dog (Israel) while in the Ukraine conflict, Ukraine is the underdog and the US is funding Ukraine.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 8 2024 05:13am)

You misunderatand. I've been asking for anyone to explain the credible threat posed by NATO to Russia in actual tangible ways.

If you hear "it's just what larger powers do, and this is Russias backyard"
And you are convinced by that. That's totally fine.
For me its not a credible justification and it's not even the actual reason for Russias invasion. It's a convenient excuse to try and secure legitimacy for what is an illegitimate invasion.
I don't see how any rational or objective person could accept that excuse and consider it is justified.
Unless of course they have a predisposition to distrust the US and consider them an omnipotent evil force on the world.


It's also hypocritical to claim that Russias invasion is justified and then deride Israel for reacting to Hamas invading Israel and murdering 1100 people.

Talking about excessive civilians deaths is a different issue and as I said I don't agreenwith Israels methods and even think it has been a military strategic failure is the current trajectory continues.

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 8 2024 09:58am)

^Prox1m1ty you keep asking the same question related to Russia's rationale for Invading Ukraine. Both in this topic and the Israeli topic. While you have been provided with a response repeatedly in this topic, you have repeatedly reiterated that you are not accepting our response as a rationale. You also compare the two, when in fact the scenario's are quite different.

You asked a good question yesterday related to the different between Gaza(and the West Bank) and Israel vs Ukraine and Russia.



If, say, a neutral observer wanted to say Gaza was Ukraine you would have to do the follow:

1. Topple the Hamas government in Gaza.
2. Install a pro-western government in Gaza.
3. Arm Gaza to the teeth and tell them to wait 8 years until they are ready.
4. Offer Gaza Nato Membership, ignore Israeli protests.
5. Scout Israel, give Gaza long range missiles, weapons etc to attack Israel.

If, say, a neutral observer wanted to say Ukraine was Gaza you would have to do the following:

1. Russia invade and claim 97.7% of Ukraine. (2% PA, 0.3% Hamas territory)
2. Russia would have to ethnically cleanse greater Ukraine and move them all to that 2.3% area
3. Russia would then bomb that area with 2000lbs bombs.

The fact is that Gaza is the underdog (like Ukraine is) but the US is funding the top Dog (Israel) while in the Ukraine conflict, Ukraine is the underdog and the US is funding Ukraine.

forget our differences for a moment and just contemplate the above.

Quote (colorful @ Apr 8 2024 10:16am)

They do have a reason…Cuban missile crisis…so America did not want Russia in their backyard but it’s ok to put missiles in Russia’s backyard?

Also I’ve been seeing a lot of Putin will continue to invade this and that…he just wants to control that water line that separates the land there…it’s a security thing.

Quote (zorzin @ Apr 8 2024 10:38am)

This is not a threat to Russia by the way, natos had bases is many other countries so this is not an escalation whatsoever and this would have never of happened if Ukraine joined nato:

https://i.postimg.cc/9F4PTQZ1/1712559916533168.png

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 4 2024 03:24pm)

Equally countries bordering Russia feel threatened and seek to join alliances, such as NATO.

Your using a metaphor of "feeling cornered" Russia is the largest land mass of any country on the planet. Finland and Sweden's accession to NATO has done more to "corner" Russia than anything involving Ukraine.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 8 2024 11:46am)

Russia doesn't even consider that a threat. Putin said as much.

Your proving the point.

Quote (Djunior @ Apr 8 2024 12:45pm)

4 days ago -->
Just now -->
Calling out your bullshit once again and no you cannot dodge by asking to link posts that are buried under thousands of pages :santa: