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Apr 4 2024 04:13pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Apr 4 2024 09:26pm)
Can't imagine NATO will be openly fighting against Russia, probably replacing security forces in the rear to allow more Ukrainians to go to the front
Some will be placed in Ukrainian units or stationed on western equipment but that is nothing new.

Don't really see what it changes, might be some propaganda value for the west when some of them get killed but harder to sell that while their close ally Israel is actively hunting down westerners for providing aid to Palestinians.


time will tell i guess.
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Quote (zorzin @ 4 Apr 2024 21:29)
Escalation bros...our time is finally here!

NATO creates ‘joint mission’ in Ukraine – Poland

NATO countries have created a joint mission in Ukraine in order to expand the scope of support the US-led bloc can provide to Kiev, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski announced on Thursday.

Speaking to journalists following a meeting to commemorate the 75th anniversary of NATO, Sikorski declared that the bloc has decided to create a new “mission.” He stressed, however, that “this does not mean that we are going to war, but it does mean that we will now be able to use the coordination, training, planning capabilities of NATO to support Ukraine in a more coordinated manner.”

Moscow has for years repeatedly criticized NATO’s expansion towards Russia’s borders and has cited the bloc’s policies and increased involvement in Ukraine as being among the key reasons for launching its offensive against Kiev in 2022.

https://www.rt.com/russia/595421-nato-mission-ukraine-poland/amp/

Iirc, this move is a hedge against Trump winning the November election. By moving all of the crucial support and organization for Ukraine under the NATO umbrella, the US president (read: Trump) can't unilaterally pull the plug as easily.
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Apr 4 2024 06:25pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 5 2024 12:28am)
Iirc, this move is a hedge against Trump winning the November election. By moving all of the crucial support and organization for Ukraine under the NATO umbrella, the US president (read: Trump) can't unilaterally pull the plug as easily.


pretty sensible. cant see 50% of america voting for "genocide joe".
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 4 2024 08:28pm)
Iirc, this move is a hedge against Trump winning the November election. By moving all of the crucial support and organization for Ukraine under the NATO umbrella, the US president (read: Trump) can't unilaterally pull the plug as easily.

Need to ensure the people of the US cannot decide to stop helping in order to defend democracy :rofl:
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 4 2024 08:56pm)
Yanukovych went against the previously agreed deal for closer ties with Europe. Agreed by a majority of Ukrainian MP's.

He went full dictator and Ukrainians called his bluff.

Couldn't be anymore obviously a Russian stooge. And where is he now?
Fled like a bitch

You live in an alternate reality of propaganda. I pity your very existence.


So you acknowledge he didn't sign the agreement by which you acknowledge that the Association Agreement existed in the first place (which I claimed in my previous post)

You're getting there!

It's just like I said, EU / NATO provided the carrots (trade deal and EU / NATO membership in the future) and Ukraine took the bait.

Did you know that Eastern Ukraine wanted closer ties with Russia instead of closer ties with the EU??

This was most definitely a coup btw --> Victoria Nuland / John McCain / Guy Verhofstadt all went to Kiev to support the protesters and tell them their future was in the West

So your shit post misses the mark, lol

Not even talking about your existence blatantly spamming NATO propaganda while it's 100% clear EU and NATO's game has been to reel in Ukraine since 2008 lol

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Apr 5 2024 02:34am
I am curious of the Ukrainian plans for further self defense drones attacks on Ruzzian refineries

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-strikes-may-have-hit-15-russian-refinery-capacity-nato-official-2024-04-04/

They could push to 40% maybe ?
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Apr 5 2024 07:40am
Quote (Malopox @ Apr 4 2024 09:07pm)
Just wanted to remind our NAFO friends in this thread about Solomon Islands incident in April 2022:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands



Yet Russian “potential regional security implications” were continuously dismissed for decades “cuz muh democracieeeeh”.


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Quote (Malopox @ Apr 4 2024 08:07pm)
Just wanted to remind our NAFO friends in this thread about Solomon Islands incident in April 2022:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands



Yet Russian “potential regional security implications” were continuously dismissed for decades “cuz muh democracieeeeh”.


its not the same. Ukraine is not close to Russia, wait, thats not right, ehmm, we dont have to care about Russia's concerns so Russia's argument about being threatened is not valid. In comparison, the Soloman Islands is undemocratic, wait, thats not right, the Soloman Islands is close to the US, wait thats not right either, we care about US concerns so US Argument, threatening democratic countries on the far side of the world is valid. I know! The Soloman Islands is not a real country because their "democracy" is not a democracy, because it is not doing what its told. Really hard to define a democracy in this world we live in but I got there in the end!

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 5 2024 07:48am
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Apr 5 2024 08:43am
https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2024/04/03/russian-military-almost-completely-reconstituted-us-official-says/

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Russian military ‘almost completely reconstituted,’ US official says


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Russia has rebuilt its military after suffering enormous losses during its invasion of Ukraine, according to a U.S. State Department official.


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In an interview earlier this year, the chair of Lithuania’s national security committee estimated it would take Russia between five and seven years to reconstitute its forces for a full-scale war.

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Apr 5 2024 11:13am
Adding this to my previous post for contrast :rolleyes:

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