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Quote (addone @ Apr 8 2023 09:17pm)
See I can disprove this hogwash in many ways. Watch christian spawn as I demonstate how its done.

Example 1:
If the bible is truth and everything in it is true then why for example does it presume that the world is 6000 ish years old? There is a calculation done by adding up the years of all the people since creation and biblical dates you can find here
https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/

Yet the world according to science (radiometric dating) is roughly 4.5 billion years old with 2-5% error margin. Science knows that its a rough estimate and makes no definitive claims as truth but when you can validate same result over and over from anywhere done by anyone then it becomes dependable and accurate.
https://i.ibb.co/SRVRV8M/800px-Pfunze-belt-concordia.png
A concordia diagram as used in uranium–lead dating, with data from the Pfunze Belt, Zimbabwe.[19] All the samples show loss of lead isotopes, but the intercept of the errorchron (straight line through the sample points) and the concordia (curve) shows the correct age of the rock.[15]

We also know that there are many stories/written texts from different cultures around the world ie aboriginals in australia claim that their ancestors go back 75,000years ago.
Only small group in the middle east who subscribe to judeo-christian faith believe in 6000 year earth while the rest of the world doesn't which through statistics alone makes you a minority on pure speculation. Bible is heresay at best.

Example 2:

Ant behavior
Proverbs 6:6-8 (Willibrord) The English translation would look something like this:

6:6 Look at the ant, you lazy bum, watch her behavior and become wise.

6:7 She has no captain, no supervisor, no ruler,

6:8 but she makes sure that she has food in the summer and safeguards her food during harvest

The idea that the ant is an individual animal that does everything herself simply isn't true from a biological standpoint. Ants live in a colony with many subdivisions, which include workers and queens. Most ants in reality do only have one mission and that is to make sure that their queen is fed and alive to pass on the genes to a succeeding population. So, in a sense, worker ants do have rulers and the ant population does survive as a population, where every individual is dependent on another.

Example 3:

Christians struggling with maths

Pi

Visualization.
The Bible mentions a circle whose dimensions would make pi equal to 3. This has been a source of humor for skeptics and consternation for literalist Christians and Jews.

The cauldron is first mentioned in 1 Kings 7:23-26 (KJV):

And he made a molten sea [cauldron], ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast. It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.

Said verse is reiterated in 2 Chronicles 4:2-5 (KJV):

Also he made a molten sea [cauldron] of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under it was the similitude of oxen, which did compass it round about: ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about. Two rows of oxen were cast, when it was cast. It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. And the thickness of it was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths.

These verses present three notable problems for literalist Christians.

1. Value of pi
Pi is a circle's circumference divided by its diameter. (C = πd, π = C/d.) According to a purely literalistic interpretation of the Bible, these are the circle's dimensions:

Circumference (C) = 30 cubits ("a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about")

Diameter (d) = 10 cubits ("ten cubits from the one brim to the other")

Thus:

Biblical Pi (π) = (C/d) = (30 cubits/10 cubits) = 3.0

However, actual pi is not 3.[citation NOT needed] The actual value of π is 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288...

This leaves Biblical literalists in a bind: either reject mathematics and most of modern technology,[6] or reject Biblical literalism.

2. Over-statement of Capacity
Per 1 Kings, the capacity of the "container" was (at least?) 2 000 baths, whereas 2 Chronicles asserts the capacity at (at least?) 3 000 baths.

Ignoring the internal contradiction in respect of its capacity (2 000 baths versus 3 000 baths - proving inaccuracy in itself), one is still left with the impossibility / inaccuracy pertaining to the capacity of the container.

"Molten sea", unfortunately does not describe an exact geometric shape. What is clear, however, is that the container was round at the brim, with a height (depth) half its diameter. It might have been of hemispherical- (a half-sphere, with every point on its surface equidistant to the centre of the circle at the brim), or cylindrical- (with straight parallel sides and a bottom circle replicating the brim) shape, (or indeed any ovaloid shape in between).

A. The container as a hemisphere: If the stated verses intended describing a hemisphere, with a 10 cubit diameter (i.e. a 5 cubit radius / depth), the capacity thereof calculates as follows:

Volume of a hemisphere = 2 π r³/3
THUS: 2 (3.14) (2.29m)³/3 -》 (5 cubits = 2.286m)

≈ 25.14 m³ or 25 140 litres

(All values rounded upward to two decimals to fit more "baths")
Using the smallest known variable for the biblical unit for "bath" at 22.00 litres (rounded downward to fit more "baths"), a hemispherical "container" could at most hold :

25 140 litres / 22 = 1 143 baths
THUS: Even applying approximations to the various factors to best calculate the highest number of "baths" a hemispherical container could possibly engulf, one is left with a staggering over-statement of its capacity by ±42% (in the case of 2 000 baths as stated by 1 Kings), or an even more-embellished over-statement of its capacity by ±62% (in the case of the 3 000 baths of 2 Chronicles).

B. The container as a cylinder: In the alternative, the stated verses could have intended to describe a cylinder, the capacity of which calculates as follows:

Volume of a cylinder = π r² h
THUS: (3.14) (2.29m)² (2.29) -》 (5 cubits = 2.286m)

≈ 37.73 m³ or 37 730 litres
(All values rounded upward to two decimals to fit more "baths")
Using the smallest known variable for the biblical unit for "bath" at 22.00 litres (rounded downward to fit more "baths"), a cylindrical "container" could at most hold :

37 730 litres / 22 = 1 715 baths
THUS: Even applying approximation, the capacity is still over-stated by ±15% (in the case of 2 000 baths as stated by 1 Kings), or ±43% (in the case of the 3 000 baths of 2 Chronicles).

C. The container as an irregular or ovaloid shape: In the further alternative, the said verses might have intended to describe an irregular or ovaloid shape.

In that case, the capacity would range between the values calculated at A
above and that calculated at B.
THUS: The over-statement of the container's capacity remains


Evidently bible isn't truth but a mongoloid attempt to make sense of the world.




corrupting light since the dawn of time.
Say tan. say tin:




And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. King James Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael



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Apr 9 2023 12:23am
Quote (Coldbringer @ Apr 8 2023 03:35pm)
Chose 1. Been to church and Bible study a few times when I was a kid, totally not impressed with what they taught there.


choice number 1..............
everyone believes that about themselves. addone is antitheist so he automatically believes he is among the smartes smart smart most logical super duper people ever in history of the universe and even multi verses. ....................scripture talks about strong delusions.

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
King James Version

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Apr 9 2023 12:37am
Quote (addone @ Apr 8 2023 07:17pm)
See I can disprove this hogwash in many ways. Watch christian spawn as I demonstate how its done.

Example 1:
If the bible is truth and everything in it is true then why for example does it presume that the world is 6000 ish years old? There is a calculation done by adding up the years of all the people since creation and biblical dates you can find here
https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/

Yet the world according to science (radiometric dating) is roughly 4.5 billion years old with 2-5% error margin. Science knows that its a rough estimate and makes no definitive claims as truth but when you can validate same result over and over from anywhere done by anyone then it becomes dependable and accurate.
https://i.ibb.co/SRVRV8M/800px-Pfunze-belt-concordia.png
A concordia diagram as used in uranium–lead dating, with data from the Pfunze Belt, Zimbabwe.[19] All the samples show loss of lead isotopes, but the intercept of the errorchron (straight line through the sample points) and the concordia (curve) shows the correct age of the rock.[15]

We also know that there are many stories/written texts from different cultures around the world ie aboriginals in australia claim that their ancestors go back 75,000years ago.
Only small group in the middle east who subscribe to judeo-christian faith believe in 6000 year earth while the rest of the world doesn't which through statistics alone makes you a minority on pure speculation. Bible is heresay at best.

Example 2:

Ant behavior
Proverbs 6:6-8 (Willibrord) The English translation would look something like this:

6:6 Look at the ant, you lazy bum, watch her behavior and become wise.

6:7 She has no captain, no supervisor, no ruler,

6:8 but she makes sure that she has food in the summer and safeguards her food during harvest

The idea that the ant is an individual animal that does everything herself simply isn't true from a biological standpoint. Ants live in a colony with many subdivisions, which include workers and queens. Most ants in reality do only have one mission and that is to make sure that their queen is fed and alive to pass on the genes to a succeeding population. So, in a sense, worker ants do have rulers and the ant population does survive as a population, where every individual is dependent on another.

Example 3:

Christians struggling with maths

Pi

Visualization.
The Bible mentions a circle whose dimensions would make pi equal to 3. This has been a source of humor for skeptics and consternation for literalist Christians and Jews.

The cauldron is first mentioned in 1 Kings 7:23-26 (KJV):

And he made a molten sea [cauldron], ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast. It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.

Said verse is reiterated in 2 Chronicles 4:2-5 (KJV):

Also he made a molten sea [cauldron] of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under it was the similitude of oxen, which did compass it round about: ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about. Two rows of oxen were cast, when it was cast. It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. And the thickness of it was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths.

These verses present three notable problems for literalist Christians.

1. Value of pi
Pi is a circle's circumference divided by its diameter. (C = πd, π = C/d.) According to a purely literalistic interpretation of the Bible, these are the circle's dimensions:

Circumference (C) = 30 cubits ("a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about")

Diameter (d) = 10 cubits ("ten cubits from the one brim to the other")

Thus:

Biblical Pi (π) = (C/d) = (30 cubits/10 cubits) = 3.0

However, actual pi is not 3.[citation NOT needed] The actual value of π is 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288...

This leaves Biblical literalists in a bind: either reject mathematics and most of modern technology,[6] or reject Biblical literalism.

2. Over-statement of Capacity
Per 1 Kings, the capacity of the "container" was (at least?) 2 000 baths, whereas 2 Chronicles asserts the capacity at (at least?) 3 000 baths.

Ignoring the internal contradiction in respect of its capacity (2 000 baths versus 3 000 baths - proving inaccuracy in itself), one is still left with the impossibility / inaccuracy pertaining to the capacity of the container.

"Molten sea", unfortunately does not describe an exact geometric shape. What is clear, however, is that the container was round at the brim, with a height (depth) half its diameter. It might have been of hemispherical- (a half-sphere, with every point on its surface equidistant to the centre of the circle at the brim), or cylindrical- (with straight parallel sides and a bottom circle replicating the brim) shape, (or indeed any ovaloid shape in between).

A. The container as a hemisphere: If the stated verses intended describing a hemisphere, with a 10 cubit diameter (i.e. a 5 cubit radius / depth), the capacity thereof calculates as follows:

Volume of a hemisphere = 2 π r³/3
THUS: 2 (3.14) (2.29m)³/3 -》 (5 cubits = 2.286m)

≈ 25.14 m³ or 25 140 litres

(All values rounded upward to two decimals to fit more "baths")
Using the smallest known variable for the biblical unit for "bath" at 22.00 litres (rounded downward to fit more "baths"), a hemispherical "container" could at most hold :

25 140 litres / 22 = 1 143 baths
THUS: Even applying approximations to the various factors to best calculate the highest number of "baths" a hemispherical container could possibly engulf, one is left with a staggering over-statement of its capacity by ±42% (in the case of 2 000 baths as stated by 1 Kings), or an even more-embellished over-statement of its capacity by ±62% (in the case of the 3 000 baths of 2 Chronicles).

B. The container as a cylinder: In the alternative, the stated verses could have intended to describe a cylinder, the capacity of which calculates as follows:

Volume of a cylinder = π r² h
THUS: (3.14) (2.29m)² (2.29) -》 (5 cubits = 2.286m)

≈ 37.73 m³ or 37 730 litres
(All values rounded upward to two decimals to fit more "baths")
Using the smallest known variable for the biblical unit for "bath" at 22.00 litres (rounded downward to fit more "baths"), a cylindrical "container" could at most hold :

37 730 litres / 22 = 1 715 baths
THUS: Even applying approximation, the capacity is still over-stated by ±15% (in the case of 2 000 baths as stated by 1 Kings), or ±43% (in the case of the 3 000 baths of 2 Chronicles).

C. The container as an irregular or ovaloid shape: In the further alternative, the said verses might have intended to describe an irregular or ovaloid shape.

In that case, the capacity would range between the values calculated at A
above and that calculated at B.
THUS: The over-statement of the container's capacity remains


Evidently bible isn't truth but a mongoloid attempt to make sense of the world.


radiometric dating
starting conditions are assumed
dont be such a sucker

out of pride and snot nosed arrogance do you corrupt scripture.
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"projection of light":




https://flexbooks.ck12.org/cbook/cbse-physics-class-10/section/2.3/primary/lesson/refraction-of-light-through-prism/




in b4 /insert more cover up posts.

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Quote (TiStuff @ 27 Feb 2023 07:30)
typically atheists/antitheists know zip about scripture.


your quotes are utterly useless bud don't you get it? quoting something from a book that you don't know who was written by to try to prove that it's real is literally mind boggling. there's so many things wrong with the book and has been messed with so much to the point it grew more and more as humanity grew to keep up with society to keep moronic people like you to believe in it. The way it's going in the US, by 2100 Christianity will barely be talked about anymore. They teach the "god" shit in schools and yet these newer generations still don't even bother to believe in it to a point of even going to church, and if they do their parents force them too. it's even in our national anthem LOL. Why do you think that is? "**Insert quote here* cause i'm a NPC" there is literally no proof anyone has ever gone to this heaven you talk of nor any proof of "god" reaching out to his "followers" In the time of the biggest doubt of your sky daddy and he has yet to show himself or anything to keep the belief in his coming? oh wow, shocker
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Quote (constrictss @ Apr 8 2023 11:58pm)
your quotes are utterly useless bud don't you get it? quoting something from a book that you don't know who was written by to try to prove that it's real is literally mind boggling. there's so many things wrong with the book and has been messed with so much to the point it grew more and more as humanity grew to keep up with society to keep moronic people like you to believe in it. The way it's going in the US, by 2100 Christianity will barely be talked about anymore. They teach the "god" shit in schools and yet these newer generations still don't even bother to believe in it to a point of even going to church, and if they do their parents force them too. it's even in our national anthem LOL. Why do you think that is? "**Insert quote here* cause i'm a NPC" there is literally no proof anyone has ever gone to this heaven you talk of nor any proof of "god" reaching out to his "followers" In the time of the biggest doubt of your sky daddy and he has yet to show himself or anything to keep the belief in his coming? oh wow, shocker


how does anything you say disprove scripture? your as bad as the op

you ever wonder why you and op are obsessed with the things you 'dont believe? I wonder about it.
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Apr 9 2023 03:34am
Quote (addone @ Apr 9 2023 02:19pm)
It's been tried in multiple ways but you are allergic to proof so why waste any more breath on brainwashed zealots? I'll just keep exposing more lies the Christians tell themselves and others hopefully some brainwashed kid might find reason and discard this insideous parasite you call religion.

Here is example of your mongoloid religion

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.


Brainwashed zealots? You've got it all wrong. The other religions teach you to earn your way into salvation by doing good works and you must not question why.

Whereas Christianity invites you to do your own research and to do your own investigations. Make up your own mind.

Here are some examples of when I did the research and my own investigations. Turned out to be viable.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=67022928&f=125&o=0#p449254948

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73889562&f=119&p=525625079#p525625079

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71850688&f=125&o=0#p483628339

These are NOT the actions of someone who is a brainwashed zealot. The irony of you 'exposing more lies of the Christians' is that you are actually exposing the truth of the Gospel.

Romans 1:22-23

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Psalm 14:1-3

1 The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.

2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.

You https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=1166779 are living proof of these words being true.

Want even more proof?

Colossians 2:1-5

I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5 For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

You claim that your arguments are logical and find sounding but in fact they are deceitful and twisting the truth of the Gospel. You may dismiss what the word of God says but by doing so you have revealed the truth of those very words you sought to disclaim.
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Quote (CPK001 @ Apr 9 2023 09:34pm)
Brainwashed zealots? You've got it all wrong. The other religions teach you to earn your way into salvation by doing good works and you must not question why.

Whereas Christianity invites you to do your own research and to do your own investigations. Make up your own mind.


Oh really?

James 1:5-6
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.

We ask questions for proof because we doubt your unproven assertions lol the entire passage is an oxymoron. This passage basically asks you to not doubt and be a good little sheep.

Isaiah 45:9-12
“Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’? Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’ or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’” Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him: “Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands? I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.

Here is a direct quote from the bible which asks you to not question god.

here is more

Job 38:1-41
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me. “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? ...


Here is but a few passages where Christian god asks you to be obedient NPC and do as they are told and "earn your way to salvation" as you put it.

Philippians 2:12-13
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence,work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

you must fear god and be a subservient cuck essentially to get his salvation.

requirements for gods salvation is through blind faith, obedience, baptism, believe in him and his son, don't do anything that displeases him, pray and give money to the church, you must confess your sins and constantly repent etc and maybe then you can have salvation. Oh and you better not be lame or deformed in any way otherwise you cant even pray to god ....
Sounds like a long laundry list of things to earn your way to salvation to me.

What Are The Biblical Requirements for Salvation?
TO BE SAVED: BIBLE VERSES
You MUST believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6
You MUST believe Jesus is the Son of God. John 3:16, 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10
You MUST believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3
You MUST believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9
Baptism is part of God’s Plan of Salvation. Mark 16:16; Acts 2:32-38
Is man required to do such in order to please God or to be SAVED? Verified By The Scripture(s) Above

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Oh really?

James 1:5-6
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.

We ask questions for proof because we doubt your unproven assertions lol the entire passage is an oxymoron. This passage basically asks you to not doubt and be a good little sheep.

Isaiah 45:9-12
“Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’? Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’ or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’” Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him: “Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands? I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.

Here is a direct quote from the bible which asks you to not question god.

here is more

Job 38:1-41
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me. “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? ...


Here is but a few passages where Christian god asks you to be obedient NPC and do as they are told and "earn your way to salvation" as you put it.

Philippians 2:12-13
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence,work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

you must fear god and be a subservient cuck essentially to get his salvation.

requirements for gods salvation is through blind faith, obedience, baptism, believe in him and his son, don't do anything that displeases him, pray and give money to the church, you must confess your sins and constantly repent etc and maybe then you can have salvation. Oh and you better not be lame or deformed in any way otherwise you cant even pray to god ....
Sounds like a long laundry list of things to earn your way to salvation to me.

What Are The Biblical Requirements for Salvation?
TO BE SAVED: BIBLE VERSES
You MUST believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6
You MUST believe Jesus is the Son of God. John 3:16, 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10
You MUST believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3
You MUST believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9
Baptism is part of God’s Plan of Salvation. Mark 16:16; Acts 2:32-38
Is man required to do such in order to please God or to be SAVED? Verified By The Scripture(s) Above
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pretty lame to 'miss repentance

Quote (CPK001 @ Apr 9 2023 02:34am)
Brainwashed zealots? You've got it all wrong. The other religions teach you to earn your way into salvation by doing good works and you must not question why.

Whereas Christianity invites you to do your own research and to do your own investigations. Make up your own mind.

Here are some examples of when I did the research and my own investigations. Turned out to be viable.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=67022928&f=125&o=0#p449254948

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73889562&f=119&p=525625079#p525625079

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71850688&f=125&o=0#p483628339

These are NOT the actions of someone who is a brainwashed zealot. The irony of you 'exposing more lies of the Christians' is that you are actually exposing the truth of the Gospel.

Romans 1:22-23

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Psalm 14:1-3

1 The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.

2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.

You https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=1166779 are living proof of these words being true.

Want even more proof?

Colossians 2:1-5

I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5 For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

You claim that your arguments are logical and find sounding but in fact they are deceitful and twisting the truth of the Gospel. You may dismiss what the word of God says but by doing so you have revealed the truth of those very words you sought to disclaim.


Romans 1:22-23

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

god of the atheists


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Oh really?

James 1:5-6
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.

We ask questions for proof because we doubt your unproven assertions lol the entire passage is an oxymoron. This passage basically asks you to not doubt and be a good little sheep.

Isaiah 45:9-12
“Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’? Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’ or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’” Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him: “Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands? I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.

Here is a direct quote from the bible which asks you to not question god.

here is more

Job 38:1-41
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me. “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? ...


Here is but a few passages where Christian god asks you to be obedient NPC and do as they are told and "earn your way to salvation" as you put it.

Philippians 2:12-13
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence,work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

you must fear god and be a subservient cuck essentially to get his salvation.

requirements for gods salvation is through blind faith, obedience, baptism, believe in him and his son, don't do anything that displeases him, pray and give money to the church, you must confess your sins and constantly repent etc and maybe then you can have salvation. Oh and you better not be lame or deformed in any way otherwise you cant even pray to god ....
Sounds like a long laundry list of things to earn your way to salvation to me.

What Are The Biblical Requirements for Salvation?
TO BE SAVED: BIBLE VERSES
You MUST believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6
You MUST believe Jesus is the Son of God. John 3:16, 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10
You MUST believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3
You MUST believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9
Baptism is part of God’s Plan of Salvation. Mark 16:16; Acts 2:32-38
Is man required to do such in order to please God or to be SAVED? Verified By The Scripture(s) Above


Funny how you quote all these Bible verses about not questioning God and yet you are the one who does exactly what the passages say not to do.

Ask in faith with no doubting? You obviously doubt God.

You are the clay saying to him who formed you "What are you making?" or "Your work has no handles".

If you know the story of Job then you'd know that even he was unable put God on trial.

If you supposedly know all this then why do you doubt and question God? You seen his power.

Psalm 37:12-13

12 The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;
13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.

Why would you knowingly plot against the righteous when you know that the Lord laughs at you? he knows your day is coming. You should practice what you preach.
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