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May 15 2020 04:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 15 May 2020 17:55)
When I first started working with mice I was worried they would be like rats. Rats are cute and have personalities, and get attached to their caretakers and each other.

I was quickly shown that mice aren't like that.

Mice are basically little clones of each other with no discernible personality and no real familial attachment. They will abandon their pups at the first nudge and are little assholes. I have no remorse murdering them by the cage full when my use of them is finished.

I miss working with rats because they had more personality, even if they were harder to experiment on for the same reason.



God I wish I knew this had a name earlier in life. I used to have some friends in college who did this kind of thing all the time and it was super fucking annoying.

So you empathize with the creatures you torture. what a waste of lefty privilege
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May 15 2020 04:27pm
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-74-former-biden-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations

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The PBS NewsHour spoke with 74 former Biden staffers, of whom 62 were women, in order to get a broader picture of his behavior toward women over the course of his career, how they see the new allegation, and whether there was evidence of a larger pattern.

None of the people interviewed said that they had experienced sexual harassment, assault or misconduct by Biden. All said they never heard any rumors or allegations of Biden engaging in sexual misconduct, until the recent assault allegation made by Tara Reade. Former staffers said they believed Reade should be heard, and acknowledged that their experiences do not disprove her accusation.


Good article. Based on all the evidence I've seen so far, I don't believe the allegation is true. The most likely scenario is that she made it up after getting fired for her performance.
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May 15 2020 04:44pm
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"dementia ridden rapist"

I don't think that's accurate

"Oh so you don't think he has any mental decline?"



You see the problem here?


Yeah I definitely see the double standard you have. That is the problem you are referring to, correct?
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May 15 2020 07:35pm
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-74-former-biden-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations



Good article. Based on all the evidence I've seen so far, I don't believe the allegation is true. The most likely scenario is that she made it up after getting fired for her performance.


So you think the most likely scenario is she got fired for performance, but there are no records of that immediately available and her subordinates remember her being abruptly and unexpectedly removed. And she then invented a fake assault story and told it to her mother, and stuck to her story and told it to her husband, her coworkers and neighbors over the following years. And yet even though she was willing to invent a highly inflammator accusation that could have jeopardized Bidens senate career in 1993, she did not act upon it or attempt to blackmail him or go public. Instead she stuck so steadfastly to her story in private for no discernable reason that her husband recounted her being obviously traumatized and deeply affected by it and factored into her divorce enough to put in legal filings. And then she sat on this allegation she made up for 27 years and finally came public against Joe Biden with it in a haphazard and low impact way without amplifying it through the typical MeToo bullhorns and in the least vulnerable media cycle for Joe as he's already won his primary and can go hide for 6 months. And then all the people she convinced of her fake story 27 years ago showed up to corroborate her, but Joe Biden's campaign reacted by denying there was any complaint without having documents to prove she was fired without one, and lied about the NYT exonerating him, and paid the Krassensteins to astroturf social media with smears on her.

And this all makes more sense than just the simple explanation "Joe did it"
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May 15 2020 07:41pm
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If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
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May 15 2020 08:03pm
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So you think the most likely scenario is she got fired for performance, but there are no records of that immediately available and her subordinates remember her being abruptly and unexpectedly removed. And she then invented a fake assault story and told it to her mother, and stuck to her story and told it to her husband, her coworkers and neighbors over the following years. And yet even though she was willing to invent a highly inflammator accusation that could have jeopardized Bidens senate career in 1993, she did not act upon it or attempt to blackmail him or go public. Instead she stuck so steadfastly to her story in private for no discernable reason that her husband recounted her being obviously traumatized and deeply affected by it and factored into her divorce enough to put in legal filings. And then she sat on this allegation she made up for 27 years and finally came public against Joe Biden with it in a haphazard and low impact way without amplifying it through the typical MeToo bullhorns and in the least vulnerable media cycle for Joe as he's already won his primary and can go hide for 6 months. And then all the people she convinced of her fake story 27 years ago showed up to corroborate her, but Joe Biden's campaign reacted by denying there was any complaint without having documents to prove she was fired without one, and lied about the NYT exonerating him, and paid the Krassensteins to astroturf social media with smears on her.

And this all makes more sense than just the simple explanation "Joe did it"

it’s because icepeon hates women, including his mother for giving birth to him.
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May 15 2020 08:04pm
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So you think the most likely scenario is she got fired for performance, but there are no records of that immediately available and her subordinates remember her being abruptly and unexpectedly removed. And she then invented a fake assault story and told it to her mother, and stuck to her story and told it to her husband, her coworkers and neighbors over the following years. And yet even though she was willing to invent a highly inflammator accusation that could have jeopardized Bidens senate career in 1993, she did not act upon it or attempt to blackmail him or go public. Instead she stuck so steadfastly to her story in private for no discernable reason that her husband recounted her being obviously traumatized and deeply affected by it and factored into her divorce enough to put in legal filings. And then she sat on this allegation she made up for 27 years and finally came public against Joe Biden with it in a haphazard and low impact way without amplifying it through the typical MeToo bullhorns and in the least vulnerable media cycle for Joe as he's already won his primary and can go hide for 6 months. And then all the people she convinced of her fake story 27 years ago showed up to corroborate her, but Joe Biden's campaign reacted by denying there was any complaint without having documents to prove she was fired without one, and lied about the NYT exonerating him, and paid the Krassensteins to astroturf social media with smears on her.

And this all makes more sense than just the simple explanation "Joe did it"


I think the most likely situation is that something happened, but something that is more mild than what she is now reporting
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May 15 2020 08:22pm
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I think the most likely situation is that something happened, but something that is more mild than what she is now reporting


Its a strong possibility. We've got a preponderance of evidence that something serious happened, but we'd have no way to know if details were exaggerated. The problem for Biden there is that he didn't throw in with the 'less serious' theory, he went for a blanket denial.
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May 15 2020 08:27pm
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So you think the most likely scenario is she got fired for performance, but there are no records of that immediately available and her subordinates remember her being abruptly and unexpectedly removed. And she then invented a fake assault story and told it to her mother, and stuck to her story and told it to her husband, her coworkers and neighbors over the following years. And yet even though she was willing to invent a highly inflammator accusation that could have jeopardized Bidens senate career in 1993, she did not act upon it or attempt to blackmail him or go public. Instead she stuck so steadfastly to her story in private for no discernable reason that her husband recounted her being obviously traumatized and deeply affected by it and factored into her divorce enough to put in legal filings. And then she sat on this allegation she made up for 27 years and finally came public against Joe Biden with it in a haphazard and low impact way without amplifying it through the typical MeToo bullhorns and in the least vulnerable media cycle for Joe as he's already won his primary and can go hide for 6 months. And then all the people she convinced of her fake story 27 years ago showed up to corroborate her, but Joe Biden's campaign reacted by denying there was any complaint without having documents to prove she was fired without one, and lied about the NYT exonerating him, and paid the Krassensteins to astroturf social media with smears on her.

And this all makes more sense than just the simple explanation "Joe did it"


I think given her credibility issues, her performance issues(according to co-workers), her issues of dressing inappropriately(according to co-workers), the culture of the office environment, Biden's history of not having ever done anything like this, her early corroboration, etc, that the most likely explanation is she was fired for a legitimate reason(or quit) and made up the story.

Chait writes up a decent article on some of the problems:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html

You're free to do what you always do, posting whatever facts are convenient for your argument, leaving out the others, and adding some baseless accusations for good measure. Reasonable people are free to dismiss you as a hack.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 15 2020 08:28pm
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May 15 2020 08:34pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 15 2020 09:22pm)
Its a strong possibility. We've got a preponderance of evidence that something serious happened, but we'd have no way to know if details were exaggerated. The problem for Biden there is that he didn't throw in with the 'less serious' theory, he went for a blanket denial.


I think the most likely situation goes something like

Biden is huggy and touchy, she gets uncomfortable, she tries to report it, gets told it wasnt assault and wasnt malicious and thats how Biden is, she doesnt drop it and gets mad and the office turns on her. Biden isn't told because everybody knows Biden is just like that. She morphs it in her head over time to something far more malicious and tells people.while exaggerating the details, intentionally or not.
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