Quote (ferdia @ Apr 3 2024 09:04am)
I invited you several times to read over the topic from the start, to review the documents and video's posted. I have not seen you posting to state you have done this. You are smearing the messenger in order to ignore the message. This is a well established tactic and is not healthy for good debate. We saw the same thing with Scott Ritter. The fact is George Galloway was democratically elected by an overwhelming majority of people in his constituency so like it not, he is the voice of his people. We have posted several video's in this topic related to George Galloway and they are not radical. The fact that you have not exercised yourself to watch them, or rather, acknowledge them, or read over the entire topic before posting in this topic is just ignorance. Most of us are old enough now not to accept things at face value and to take in what is being sald with a grain of salt.
The facts that cannot be argued are : England has continued to support the escalation of this war, played an active role in preventing a negotiated peace, is in deep trouble economically, yet still has the wherewithal to continue funding this war and to shop around the world to ensure more countries continue this war. Debating the merits of escalating the war and the right/wrong of waging this war does not change the history of events.
Poland is fear mongering the world, they are not the only ones, watch out, you will be next they say, when fundamentally Russia has not demonstrated an ability or inclination to attack Nato. They have not conscripted enough men for this narrative to be deemed credible, yet here we are. If Russia conscripted 5 million men then yes, I would be in agreement with you. But they have not, for years, and they have not moved on western Ukraine. This supports the land bridge / crimea narrative. it does not support the Ukraine today, Poland and Germany tomorrow narrative. I cant get away from that point. The map tells its own story.
Yes, Europe, by all means arm yourselves to the teeth, but dont send troops, that is leading us to a path of WW3. incidentally bombing targets 100's of miles inside Russia has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen, but here we are.
So just for reference: You posted a clip by Scott Ritter and I asked how his opinion on the topic was relevant (as it was about the eastern european geo political region), and you couldnt give me a response. I listened to the video you posted from Ritter (eventhough he is a state actor and a convicted pedophile) and it just didn't make a lot of sense, he made predictions he has no place making as he has no experience in the geo political region. You and Djunior couldnt even agree if he was an expert of not. Nobody discredited Ritter because he made a video, we discredited ritter because he isn't a credible source in terms of the topic at hand.
There are no debate tactics, if you want to provide proof that for instance Scott Ritter is worth listening to about the Ukrainian situation in Bakhmut, by all means go ahead and provide that proof. As far as I know, Ritter does not call himself an expert on eastern europe (because he isnt one, he is a munitions expert who worked in the middle east).
You are being a little weird in my opinion ferdia. If i sent you a video of Hunter Biden high as a kite saying that Ukraine was certainly winning the war because his professional analysis and insight into the matter (as well as his connections) tell him that victory is sure to come, would you agree with it? Galloway is (just like hunter biden would be) a layman who is payed by a part of the war to spread a narrative. To me, it doesn't matter if he has won a local election in the UK (because it surprised nobody with any sort of baseline knowledge of UK politics) and it doesn't make him an interesting source. What discredits him as a source is that he (just like Ritter) has a vested interest in framing the narrative because they get paid by one part of the conflict.
Again, you just like Djunior start rambling off things I havent disagreed or agreed with in some sort of bizarre gish gallop. If you wanna do the Ritter thing again we can, but it's just not a good look for you in terms of source credibility.