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Quote (Hobbiks @ Apr 3 2024 08:18am)
So just so everyone understands: " I truly don't care if it's Galloway's reaction or any other guy" - You don't care who presents you with information, just as long as that information backs up your worldview?

"you are trying to change the conversation to Galloway and I'm not going to let you." - Just to be clear, you posted Galloway and I asked you why. I specifically asked: Isn't this guy a presenter on RT? You would think that you (and others) could find other corroborating information other than opinion pieces by state actors? Seems a little bit weird to me that the only people who seem to affirm your worldview are people being paid by the same people you tend to agree with.

If you don't care where your information comes from and you aren't source critical at all then I would understand why you wouldn't want to discuss your sources (since they don't stand scrutiny but it doesn't matter to you anyways). I think most people would want to know where their information comes from instead of just being sheeple, following some guy completely uncritically and blindly because he happens to agree with you.


Don't try to twist my words

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I believe the money is wasted and I truly don't care if it's Galloway's reaction or any other guy


I can present other sources and the issue is exactly the same --> The UK sends another 1.5 billion to Ukraine (Ukraine has all together received hundreds of billions already, that money was wasted because the situation only got worse)

Don't like Galloway? I don't care, I enjoy people like him slapping trash establishment and elitists like oligarch Sunak


e: And don't get me started about your supposedly "superior world views" lol

Go support another war trash troll

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 3 2024 02:27am
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Apr 3 2024 02:29am
The biggest invasion apologist jibing about people supporting wars :rofl:

What he really means is stop supporting Ukraine so Russia can claim some kind of tangible success.
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The biggest invasion apologist jibing about people supporting wars :rofl:

What he really means is stop supporting Ukraine so Russia can claim some kind of tangible success.


EU / NATO shouldn't have messed with Ukraine and everything would've been fine. This has been my position from the beginning of the conflict.

Your position is that it's a great testing ground for NATO lmao

Talking about people supporting wars ;)
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 3 2024 08:18am)
"I invite you to read of the topic from the start"
lol, a 1600 page topic.

Anyone claiming that Galloway represents anyone but himself is completely out of their mind and lying.

His first words after getting elected (because the Labour did not have a candidate) were "This is for Gaza!"
He is supposed to represent the people of fucking Rochdale :rofl:

The guy is a washed up dog whistling dictator groping sycophant. Just what you guys appear to respect the most!
I mean its an improvement from you guys trying to whitewash Scott Ritter the expert paedophile, but god damn do better.

Never forget -


Your arguments are fundamentally flawed.

1. If people dont want to read up the history of a topic, it results in a situation where they are not aware of information that led to the current position(s). This will invariably mean that they are arguing from a position of ignorance and easily overcome by facts.
2. Galloway was elected, and this simple fact refutes your argument. It is astounding that you say that he does not represent anyone. The people elected him. What you are basically saying is that the people of his constituency are supporters of a dog whistling dictator groping sycophant (cant believe you said all that but here we are).
3. I am not whitewashing Scott Ritter, I also read the details of his convictions. It is the same old shit that we see every day, target the man not the idea. In this case the US government clearly targeted him. Yes he is bitter, but he does give credible information from time to time.

this is the man you are calling a dog whistling dictator groping sycophant.



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Channel 4 (generally regarded as reputable):

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In-between "russia win in 3 months" or promoting weirdo sellout anglo-saxon politicians and/or criminals / 10

GL

/e noted info today: +500k ruzzian men with disabilities increase in-between 2022 and 2023

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In-between "russia win in 3 months" or promoting weirdo sellout anglo-saxon politicians and/or criminals / 10

GL

/e noted info today: +500k ruzzian men with disabilities increase in-between 2022 and 2023


not promoting, just outlining the worn out tactic of shooting a person to kill an idea. I would well believe 500k+ russians with disabilities to date as a consequence of the war. It would be interesting if there was research of Ukraine casualties (not deaths, injuries).

found this so far: In its latest report, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine said there have been 30,457 civilian casualties since 24 February 2022. This comprised 10,582 killed and 19,875 injured.23 Feb 2024

no mention of soldier casualties.

I can see: "the German and EU governments financed the construction of 6 modern hospitals."
I can see: the list of hospitals in Ukraine has not been updated since 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hospitals_in_Ukraine
This wiki states; This list of hospitals in Ukraine includes notable and noteworthy hospitals in Ukraine throughout its history. Despite the reduction of the number of hospitals in the late 1990s because of fiscal constraints, Ukraine still has extensive health care infrastructure. Ukraine went from 3,754 hospital beds in 1994 to 2,369 hospital beds in 2012. Online it is suggested there are 1631 Hospitals in Ukraine.

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not promoting, just outlining the worn out tactic of shooting a person to kill an idea. I would well believe 500k+ russians with disabilities to date as a consequence of the war. It would be interesting if there was research of Ukraine casualties (not deaths, injuries).

found this so far: In its latest report, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine said there have been 30,457 civilian casualties since 24 February 2022. This comprised 10,582 killed and 19,875 injured.23 Feb 2024

no mention of soldier casualties.


It is well know that Ruzzia relies on meat grinding tactics, life has very little value in Mordor. Sergey can't wait for his connected shovel etc
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That Galloway won an election where the only credible opposition did not have a campaign to speak of doesn't change the fact he is a dog whistling sycophant that cares little for the people of Rochdale or for anyone else other than George Galloway.
He saw an opportunity to get a platform for his megaphone ramblings and took it. Kudos to him.
He got 39% of the votes in a 39% turnout. Hardly a resounding mandate to represent anyone but technically a mandate to become an MP.

The fact his first words were "This is for Gaza" tells you everyone you need to know about his desire to represent people of Rochdale. He didn't even mention Rochdale in his speech :thumbsup:

We all know perfectly well who Galloway is, posting a 20 year old deposition that everyone has seen changes nothing.
A terrible character of resounding hypocrisy. Claiming to be anti-establishment while courting Saddam Hussein should be red flags for any sensible person.

What is his idea? That supporting Ukraine is a bad idea?

Square that off with reason and he is representing a minority of disenfranchised and isolationist conspiracy theorists; way to nail your colours to the mast.

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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 3 2024 05:43am)
Your arguments are fundamentally flawed.

1. If people dont want to read up the history of a topic, it results in a situation where they are not aware of information that led to the current position(s). This will invariably mean that they are arguing from a position of ignorance and easily overcome by facts.
2. Galloway was elected, and this simple fact refutes your argument. It is astounding that you say that he does not represent anyone. The people elected him. What you are basically saying is that the people of his constituency are supporters of a dog whistling dictator groping sycophant (cant believe you said all that but here we are).
3. I am not whitewashing Scott Ritter, I also read the details of his convictions. It is the same old shit that we see every day, target the man not the idea. In this case the US government clearly targeted him. Yes he is bitter, but he does give credible information from time to time.

this is the man you are calling a dog whistling dictator groping sycophant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dD48d-yjxc


Cool video, thank you for sharing :)
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