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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Jul 18 2021 06:34pm)
Just get the vaccine, problem solved. Turns out most vaccinated already have better odds against delta variant. Science FTW

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001354/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf


https://i.imgur.com/MijbiBo.png


"just get it" is no argument for me

compared to a few others here i am by no means an anti vaxxer

i consider taking it, when i think that it can benefit me and all bullshit measures are lifted immediately

i am not getting a vaccine that i dont desperately need and then still wear a mask on a train when its 35 degrees outside and no air condition

however the covid karens dont want to continue to normal life
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Jul 18 2021 12:55pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 18 2021 05:45pm)
You're making it sound as if 95% of covid casualties already had one foot in the grave...


Interesting.

Let's look at the median age of covid deaths : 84 years old

That means precisely half of covid deaths were above 84, and half under.
USA life expectency : not even 80 years old on avg.
You are right. Not 95 but 100%.

checkmate bich

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Interesting.

Let's look at the median age of covid deaths : 84 years old

That means precisely half of covid deaths were above 84, and half under.
USA life expectency : not even 80 years old on avg.
You are right. Not 95 but 100%.

checkmate bich


There are plenty of younger (as in: 50- to 70-something) covid deaths, a median age of 84 does not contradict this at all lol.

In the US, people younger than 75 make up significantly less than half of all covid deaths, yet account for around two thirds of all Years of Life Lost (YLL) due to covid:


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3.epdf


Sidenote: the proportion of under-50s in the US is shockingly high compared to other first world countries. They are fat, unhealthy fucks. :blush:

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 18 2021 02:42pm)
There are plenty of younger (as in: 50- to 70-something) covid deaths, a median age of 84 does not contradict this at all lol.

In the US, people younger than 75 make up significantly less than half of all covid deaths, yet account for around two thirds of all Years of Life Lost (YLL) due to covid:

https://images.readcube-cdn.com/publishers/nature/figures/2fa441cf7fc737e0f1b3de0453924c5108e5a581afa4d145791d1a6491b63cb0/2.jpg
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3.epdf


Sidenote: the proportion of under-50s in the US is shockingly high compared to other first world countries. They are fat, unhealthy fucks. :blush:


Sure are.

But god damn is the food good
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 18 Jul 2021 12:42)
There are plenty of younger (as in: 50- to 70-something) covid deaths, a median age of 84 does not contradict this at all lol.

In the US, people younger than 75 make up significantly less than half of all covid deaths, yet account for around two thirds of all Years of Life Lost (YLL) due to covid:

https://images.readcube-cdn.com/publishers/nature/figures/2fa441cf7fc737e0f1b3de0453924c5108e5a581afa4d145791d1a6491b63cb0/2.jpg
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3.epdf


Sidenote: the proportion of under-50s in the US is shockingly high compared to other first world countries. They are fat, unhealthy fucks. :blush:

Sourced from readcube?
population has not had a spike in declines before, during and even after the pandemic

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Sourced from readcube?
population has not had a spike in declines before, during and even after the pandemic


The source of the chart is right in my post, it's from a peer-reviewed scientific article published in a journal called Scientific Reports.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 18 2021 04:01pm)
The source of the chart is right in my post, it's from a peer-reviewed scientific article published in a journal called Scientific Reports.


Quote (DrFetus @ Jul 18 2021 03:55pm)
Sourced from readcube?
population has not had a spike in declines before, during and even after the pandemic


Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 18 2021 12:49pm)
IMO this shows a more general inability to read for comprehension that I find with basically everybody who, for instance, denies the efficacy of the vaccines, denies the risk Covid presents to the public, claims untested treatments have "near 100% efficacy", etc. etc.


What I said on the previous page is relevent...

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 18 Jul 2021 14:01)
The source of the chart is right in my post, it's from a peer-reviewed scientific article published in a journal called Scientific Reports.


I don't have the time at the moment to attempt to validate these sources. I will later.Yes, this peer review has sources that are used within the peer review. I'm suspicious of that... So what I'm saying, respectively, is your sources are second hand ( as well as the peer review.) It's not the original information. Also, when you actually look up where this peer review has sourced it's information from... it just raises more questions. Most of these sources are not "science" just political sources. The information from the sources themselves have sources they have received their information from. For example... The world Health Organization is a used source. They are under the scope of being challenged for falsifying misinformation and doing business with foreign politics to fulfill their own agenda. But, the point I am trying to convey is... a lot of this "Science" is simply politics and not science. The new yourk times source is not science. The are a leftist group that basically talks crap. The sources are an endless rabit hole that eventually gets lost.

Here are the sources from your peer review. As follows:

Data availability All study code and data are fully replicable and available in the following Open Science Framework (OSF) reposi-tory: https:// osf. io/ 5j9nc/? view_ only= 48f0f 69952 814e3 a8e96 7370e 7b509 54.Received: 10 September 2020; Accepted: 27 January 2021References
1. Salje, H. et al. Estimating the burden of SARS-CoV-2 in France. Science369, 208–211. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1126/ science. abc35 17(2020).
2. Wu, J., McCann, A., Katz, J. & Peltier, E. 107,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak. The New York Times. ---------------------------------------The new york times has repeatidly lied and exaggerated info/statistics to fullfill political agendas.
3. Leon, D. A. et al. COVID-19: a need for real-time monitoring of weekly excess deaths. Lancet395, e81. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/S0140- 6736(20) 30933-8 (2020).
4. Riffe, T. & Acosta, E. Coverage-db: Covid-19 cases and deaths by age database. https:// doi. org/ 10. 17605/ OSF. IO/ MPWJQ (2020).
5. Human Mortality Database (2020) www. morta lity. org or www. human morta lity. de. University of California, Berkeley (USA), and Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research (Germany).
6. Dicker, D. et al. Global, regional, and national age-sex-specific mortality and life expectancy, 1950–2017: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017. Lancet392, 1684–1735. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(18) 31891-9 (2018).
7. United Nations, Department of Economic and Social Affairs & Population Division. World Population Prospects Highlights, 2019 Revision Highlights, 2019 Revision (2019). OCLC: 1142478963.
8. Walker, P. G. T. et al. The impact of COVID-19 and strategies for mitigation and suppression in low- and middle-income countries. Science369, 413–422. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1126/ scien ce. abc00 35 (2020).
9. Global Health Data Exchange | GHDx (2020).
10. 1126/ scien ce. abc00 35 (2020). 9. Global Health Data Exchange | GHDx (2020). 10. Varga, Z. et al. Endothelial cell infection and endotheliitis in COVID-19. Lancet395, 1417–1418. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140-6736(20) 30937-5 (2020).
11. Sun, H. et al. Risk factors for mortality in 244 older adults with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China: a retrospective study. J. Am. Geriatr. Soc.https:// doi. org/ 10. 1111/ jgs. 16533 (2020).
12. Banerjee, A. et al. Estimating excess 1-year mortality associated with the COVID-19 pandemic according to underlying conditions and age: a population-based cohort study. Lancet395, 1715–1725. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(20) 30854-0 (2020).
13. Gémes, K. et al. Burden and prevalence of prognostic factors for severe Covid-19 in Sweden. Eur. J. Epidemiol.https:// doi. org/ 10.1007/ s10654- 020- 00646-z (2020).
14. Jin, J.-M. et al. Gender differences in patients with COVID-19: focus on severity and mortality. Front. Public Health8, 152. https://doi./ org/ 10. 3389/ fpubh. 2020. 00152 (2020).
15. Flaxman, S. et al. Estimating the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19 in Europe. Naturehttps:// doi. org/ 10.1038/ s41586- 020- 2405-7 (2020).
16. Onder, G., Rezza, G. & Brusaferro, S. Case-fatality rate and characteristics of patients dying in relation to COVID-19 in Italy. JAMA323, 1775–1776. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1001/ jama. 2020. 4683 (2020).
17. Chen, N. et al. Epidemiological and clinical characteristics of 99 cases of 2019 novel coronavirus pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a descriptive study. Lancet395, 507–513. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(20) 30211-7 (2020).
18. Robilotti, E. V. et al. Determinants of COVID-19 disease severity in patients with cancer. Nat. Med.https:// doi. org/ 10. 1038/ s41591-020- 0979-0 (2020).
19. World Health Organization. Who Methods and Data Sources for Global Burden of Disease Estimates 2000–2011. Technical report WHO/HIS/HSI/GHE/2013.4 (2013).
20. Xiong, Q. et al. Clinical sequelae of Covid-19 survivors in Wuhan, China: a single-centre longitudinal study. Clin. Microbiol. Infect.27, 89–95 (2020).
21. Huang, C. et al. 6-month consequences of COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study. Lancethttps:// doi. org/10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(20) 32656-8 (2021).

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I don't have the time at the moment to attempt to validate these sources. I will later.Yes, this peer review has sources that are used within the peer review. I'm suspicious of that... So what I'm saying, respectively, is your sources are second hand ( as well as the peer review.) It's not the original information. Also, when you actually look up where this peer review has sourced it's information from... it just raises more questions. The information from the sources themselves have sources they have received their information from. For example... The world Health Organization is a used source. They are under the scope of being challenged for falsifying misinformation and doing business with foreign politics to fulfill their own agenda. But, the point I am trying to convey is... a lot of this "Science" is simply politics and not science. The new yourk times source is not science. The are a leftist group that basically talks crap.

Here are the sources from your peer review. As follows:

Data availability All study code and data are fully replicable and available in the following Open Science Framework (OSF) reposi-tory: https:// osf. io/ 5j9nc/? view_ only= 48f0f 69952 814e3 a8e96 7370e 7b509 54.Received: 10 September 2020; Accepted: 27 January 2021References
1. Salje, H. et al. Estimating the burden of SARS-CoV-2 in France. Science369, 208–211. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1126/ science. abc35 17(2020).
2. Wu, J., McCann, A., Katz, J. & Peltier, E. 107,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak. The New York Times. ---------------------------------------The new york times has repeatidly lied and exaggerated info/statistics to fullfill political agendas.
3. Leon, D. A. et al. COVID-19: a need for real-time monitoring of weekly excess deaths. Lancet395, e81. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/S0140- 6736(20) 30933-8 (2020).
4. Riffe, T. & Acosta, E. Coverage-db: Covid-19 cases and deaths by age database. https:// doi. org/ 10. 17605/ OSF. IO/ MPWJQ (2020).
5. Human Mortality Database (2020) www. morta lity. org or www. human morta lity. de. University of California, Berkeley (USA), and Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research (Germany).
6. Dicker, D. et al. Global, regional, and national age-sex-specific mortality and life expectancy, 1950–2017: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017. Lancet392, 1684–1735. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(18) 31891-9 (2018).
7. United Nations, Department of Economic and Social Affairs & Population Division. World Population Prospects Highlights, 2019 Revision Highlights, 2019 Revision (2019). OCLC: 1142478963.
8. Walker, P. G. T. et al. The impact of COVID-19 and strategies for mitigation and suppression in low- and middle-income countries. Science369, 413–422. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1126/ scien ce. abc00 35 (2020).
9. Global Health Data Exchange | GHDx (2020).
10. 1126/ scien ce. abc00 35 (2020). 9. Global Health Data Exchange | GHDx (2020). 10. Varga, Z. et al. Endothelial cell infection and endotheliitis in COVID-19. Lancet395, 1417–1418. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140-6736(20) 30937-5 (2020).
11. Sun, H. et al. Risk factors for mortality in 244 older adults with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China: a retrospective study. J. Am. Geriatr. Soc.https:// doi. org/ 10. 1111/ jgs. 16533 (2020).
12. Banerjee, A. et al. Estimating excess 1-year mortality associated with the COVID-19 pandemic according to underlying conditions and age: a population-based cohort study. Lancet395, 1715–1725. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(20) 30854-0 (2020).
13. Gémes, K. et al. Burden and prevalence of prognostic factors for severe Covid-19 in Sweden. Eur. J. Epidemiol.https:// doi. org/ 10.1007/ s10654- 020- 00646-z (2020).
14. Jin, J.-M. et al. Gender differences in patients with COVID-19: focus on severity and mortality. Front. Public Health8, 152. https://doi./ org/ 10. 3389/ fpubh. 2020. 00152 (2020).
15. Flaxman, S. et al. Estimating the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19 in Europe. Naturehttps:// doi. org/ 10.1038/ s41586- 020- 2405-7 (2020).
16. Onder, G., Rezza, G. & Brusaferro, S. Case-fatality rate and characteristics of patients dying in relation to COVID-19 in Italy. JAMA323, 1775–1776. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1001/ jama. 2020. 4683 (2020).
17. Chen, N. et al. Epidemiological and clinical characteristics of 99 cases of 2019 novel coronavirus pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a descriptive study. Lancet395, 507–513. https:// doi. org/ 10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(20) 30211-7 (2020).
18. Robilotti, E. V. et al. Determinants of COVID-19 disease severity in patients with cancer. Nat. Med.https:// doi. org/ 10. 1038/ s41591-020- 0979-0 (2020).
19. World Health Organization. Who Methods and Data Sources for Global Burden of Disease Estimates 2000–2011. Technical report WHO/HIS/HSI/GHE/2013.4 (2013).
20. Xiong, Q. et al. Clinical sequelae of Covid-19 survivors in Wuhan, China: a single-centre longitudinal study. Clin. Microbiol. Infect.27, 89–95 (2020).
21. Huang, C. et al. 6-month consequences of COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study. Lancethttps:// doi. org/10. 1016/ S0140- 6736(20) 32656-8 (2021).




For real: do you seriously think that spouting some crap about "second hand peer review" and posting a wall of text will impress anyone who has ever done science or actually published a paper?
Well, maybe it will get you applause from the chipmunk faction...
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