Stopping smoking would be much easier in given example than getting their food addiction sorted out.
being 400lb, having diabetes and not being able to move bcos of it is caused by food addiction which is absolutely horrible. I can't even imagine begin addicted to something, that you CAN'T live without, such as food.
cigarettes are optional, and stopping smoking is much easier as well as motivating right after a day. when I stopped, I was proudly saying "i didnt smoke since yesterday morning".
if you wanna take care of diet, there might be weeks before any progress is seen.

cigarettes being more dangerous than obesity...i doubt. idk, but i doubt. i might be wrong of course.
but as you said, you can see lots of 80 y/os smoking, but how many 80 y/os do you see that are 400 lb?

my grandad's brother died in the age of 93 or 97. dno. but he was smoking since the age of 15. home made tobacco which is a lot stronger than a commercial one, wrapped in paper from books without filters.
he was 150lb though
as I said, I haven't personally seen a single obese person of that age

well 2nd shot done day 1 arm hurt today fine can't wait for my super powers or die w.e comes first jk

Just get the vaccine, problem solved. Turns out most vaccinated already have better odds against delta variant. Science FTW

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001354/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

You should come to rural areas. There's a ton of people who are 70+ and still absolutely massive. I worked in a hospital for two years and I can tell you from experience, there's plenty of morbidly obese old people.

However, it's not a fair comparison, because as you get older you get less good at absorbing things from your diet which biases you to lose weight no matter what.

His statement wasn't about what's easier to quit. It's about what's worse for your health. Smoking is about the worst thing you can do, including ballooning up to 400lb and getting diabetes.

Looking at table 8 and 9, that's more or less what I've seen. Delta is still spreading from vaccinated individuals, but the vaccines are still effective at reducing symptoms and preventing serious disease, which makes them highly valuable tools against delta even if they aren't as effective as against the main strains.

haven't worked in a hospital so can't say from experience there.
I know what I see in a city I grew up in, which has around 400k ppl, and now in a smaller town which has around 60k. I don't really see old and obese people, but that might just be the case of people's habits and area I'm in.
For example, my 400k ppl city has 1 mcdonalds that's barely ever busy and there is no other fast food restaurants except about 10-15 places that sell home made hamburgers for like €10-15.
We don't even have pizza places. It's proper legit restaurants you have to call for deliveries if you wanna have one.
genuinely healthy city, but then I guess more than half of that population is smoking actively so....yeah

Anyway, back at the start of this, Johnny said "95% of people in hospital with covid had at least one serious medical condition", when in reality the statement was just "underlying medical condition".

IMO this shows a more general inability to read for comprehension that I find with basically everybody who, for instance, denies the efficacy of the vaccines, denies the risk Covid presents to the public, claims untested treatments have "near 100% efficacy", etc. etc.

This report is from June 22, so it's based on mid-June data, which is kinda old. During this timeframe, Delta was primarly spreading through school children or young adults, which are at lower risk of hospitalization by default. Alpha cases at that time were the ones from old infection chains and affected more persons of higher age. Without controlling for potentially different age structures of the Alpha and Delta patients, these numbers might be quite biased.

I doubt that protection against hospitalization among the fully vaccinated is much lower for Delta than for Alpha, but at the same time, I have a really hard time believing that the vaccines are better at preventing hospitalization against the more dangerous variant, the one which shows higher transmissibility and partial immune escape in terms of incomplete vaccinations or symptomatic disease.

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The table shows they are indistinguishable. Pretty large confidence intervals.

Yeah, that too. Unfortunately, similar data is missing (as far as I could see when skimming over) in the latest PHE technical briefing.

I just wanted to give a substantive argument why higher protection in one specific category (hospitalization) against the variant which has proven more dangerous in every other category seems kinda implausible.