Do you think that dropping pants, get on 4 legs, then saying "I would not escalate the situation" in front of a barbaric regime which systematically agressed its neightbors since decades and decades is a good "approach" ?

No, I dont. It would be idiotic to do that. But thats not what Ukraine did. To give you a more appropriate metaphor:

Do you think that divorcing your abusive husband, getting into bed with his enemy, killing the children you had with your ex-husband and then brandishing a knife while saying "I would not escalate the situation" is a good "approach" ? There is something wrong with a country when it kills its own people. Just like the Israeli's are killing their own people for 70 years, just like the Ukrainians killed their own people for 8 years.

"but hamapalastinans are not Israeli" well, they live in Israel, so they are Israeli.
"but eastern ukrainians are not ukrainian" well, the world "ukraine" is contained in there.

Killing your own kids. for years. something seriously wrong there.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 27 2024 11:13am

The US created ISIS(then ISIL) under the Obama administration. Just like Osama bin Laden was a CIA asset. The US always funds the groups that supplement their agenda/goals.

The United States military spent in excess of 7 trillion dollars in the ME and that money is still washing around.

I've said it a million times one of the main goals of the US was to DESTABILIZE not just the ME but Central/Eastern Asia. The entire continent.

We can take the subvert infiltration into our country because we created a power vacuum so big in the ME that no country can just "walk away".

The Hegelian Dialectic in full effect. I love when people criticize the US for "losing" the war in the ME but look at how we left it. Destroyed.

We even left billions of dollars worth of military equipment in Afghanistan. "US sucks! Haha you HAD to leave your equipment" more like "There's more equipment where that came from" and "Nothing beats powerful military equipment falling into the hands of the most hardened terrorist". Don't worry we built the biggest military installations on Earth smack dab in the ME.

Abusing husbands have to go to jail, but this comparison is wrong: Ukraine was already an sovereign country which even abandonned its soviet nuclear weapons: Such a mistake...
Ukraine did absolutely nothing wrong, Russia & Putin's elite on the other hand...

Well i can completely agree with you that abandoning its nuclear arsenal was a terrible mistake.

Why John Mearsheimer is at least 65 to 70% right.

Council of Foreign Affairs 1993

Abandoning of Nuclear Deterrent by Ukraine is a huge mistake.

I know you don't like lengthy articles. Just read the First two Paragraphs

Read article below.

https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mearsheimer-Case-for-Ukrainian-Nuclear-Deterrent.pdf

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 27 2024 11:42am

Yep I'm one of those and pointed this out from the start.

NATO's expansion you mean

NATO welcoming Ukraine and Georgia in 2008 (crossing red line)

Euromaidan overthrow of Ukraine's president

Bluntly refusing negotiations in December 2021 despite the writing on the wall (Crimea annexed and ongoing fighting in Eastern Ukraine)


You're one of those who've been cheerleading every escalation, this very topic is proof

The damage done to Ukraine and it's population is catastrophic already and people like you refuse to even acknowledge it SMH

feel free to attempt to refute this.

Ukrainians can't do what they want and dont know what's best for them: Nato decided at their place to quit the insanely fucked Putin's regime to join Europe.

Yay :clown: