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Apr 10 2022 07:14am
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Apr 10 2022 09:06am)
We did, but you were not fed with that news from all sides.
If russia does 10 times what they did so far, they still wouldn't be as bad as America



Idk, it’s possible. With the US a lot of these acts were much better hidden. Like we all know CIA torture sites existed all over the globe but you don’t have the same volume of actual footage proving and showing the barbarity. Nor are western journalists going to these backwaters to try and expose the atrocities.

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Apr 10 2022 07:16am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 10 Apr 2022 15:53)
It's probably short pieces of horrible snuff videos and you dont know where, when, and who it is, remove sound or just leave it with cries and then it's done; only have to put a label on it.
Then "both sides".npc.meme.jpg

Btw:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-crimes-investigation/

+ 1 question: if there's so many evidence of both sides, why Russia is completely locking media and forbid contrary voices ? Something is broken, go to Leroy Merlin and mount that fucking guillotine.


https://www.rt.com/news/552757-pranksters-ukraine-uk-youtube/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Shariy banned in Ukraine, youtube channel blocked
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oles_Buzina killed by neo-nazi who got freed to join Azov in this conflict

Open your eyes. This is a war going on. War is a war. It never changes. At war people are dying horrible ways. Unarmed people are easy targets. In city combat there will be enormous civilian casualties. There will be maniacs, looters, rapists. Propaganda works both ways. You don't have to side with any. All you have to do is to double-check every photo and video, it's meta-data, check if it was posted long before, mirrored, has different sound. History will show the truth.
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Quote (dro94 @ 10 Apr 2022 16:14)
Yep, if ISIS, Iraqi-Kurdish forces and civilians all had smartphones we would see 100x what we're seeing now. WW2 was the most brutal war in history by far and I doubt another war would come close to it again, imagine if they had smartphones...

The most shocking part of this to everyone is that it's happening in Europe which is considered to be the most advanced and stable region in the world, when it happens in Yemen or Syria then most people are less interested


In 3rd season of Misfits Hitler had smartphone if I remember correctly
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Apr 10 2022 07:25am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 10 2022 02:14pm)
Idk, it’s possible. With the US a lot of these acts were much better hidden. Like we all know CIA torture sites existed all over the globe but you don’t have the same volume of actual footage proving and showing the barbarity. Nor are western journalists going to these backwaters to try and expose the atrocities.


that's it.
i mean barely anyone knows of bagram salt pit and it's publicly known thing that's even on wikipedia lol.
there's tons of leaked info of CIA and their actions but media will never push this through to the level of which we're bashing russia now.
i'm not in any way, shape or form defending russian actions, but we're being hypocritical.

3-4 years ago we had syrian refuges in europe running away from war caused by america and we bashed them saying they're up to no good, they should go back and fight for their country, muslim terrorists taking over europe etc.
now with ukraian refuges we're jerking eachother off trying to prove who has a bigger fake sympathy towards them :rolleyes:
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Quote (Norlander @ 10 Apr 2022 13:16)
https://www.rt.com/news/552757-pranksters-ukraine-uk-youtube/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Shariy banned in Ukraine, youtube channel blocked
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oles_Buzina killed by neo-nazi who got freed to join Azov in this conflict

Open your eyes. This is a war going on. War is a war. It never changes. At war people are dying horrible ways. Unarmed people are easy targets. In city combat there will be enormous civilian casualties. There will be maniacs, looters, rapists. Propaganda works both ways. You don't have to side with any. All you have to do is to double-check every photo and video, it's meta-data, check if it was posted long before, mirrored, has different sound. History will show the truth.


I read the articles and related, seems this guy was linked with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Maidan

Remind me who decided to invade and to bomb civilians buildings please.
For sure war is horrible, but bias is still very bad. Do you think Ukrainians are betraying Russia by proclaiming their independance in 1991 and now trying to join the west ?
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 10 Apr 2022 15:12)
Just in from Taiwan News.

1. There are media in Europe , France and Germany who are saying that sanctions on Russia due to the current dependence on Energy are going to collapse a lot of small and medium businesses. Food pricing is raising in a ridiculous rate. Energy prices as well.
One Taiwanese family who is living in Italy are paying around 500 Euros a month (?) for the past month.

2. USA is earning a lot from this conflict , there were LNG ships (?) who are going to Taiwan and a few other countries suddenly changed course and are heading to Europe, panelist say that they can earn a lot more in Europe than providing to those Asian countries at the current moment.

3. USA is raising the pricing of oil and gas domestically, even though they have enough and is a oil producing country. So the oil and gas company is wining both domestically and globally.

4. One panelist is saying Zelensky is brutal because he is using war to get a fast track membership to EU by using the lives of his citizens.

5. Countries like Israel , China , India , Russia and a few OPEC country are now discussing expanding some currencies to buy Oil and Gas instead of just using USD. Proposed currency at the moment is Indian Rupee and Chinese Yuan.

6. One panelist was giving a " conspiracy type " comment that the USA is trying to make Europe fall with Russia. Europe would have to depend on USA oil and Gas production now and the price will be a lot higher. In regards to Russia the USA is thinking of sanctioning them back to the 1900s.
Once Russia is done, they will concentrate on China and put China back in its place. Because in Recent months India whom they though was a ally and partner since they are in QUAD are not standing in line with the USA. They will do India once China is done.
And when all the dust is settled, Countries like Iran, Pakistan and North Korea will be dealt with last.

What the United states is afraid of is a combination and a strategic partnership of Russia , India and China will be a economical , ideological and military threat they might not have the chance to contain in future if they are not being dealt with now.

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6. sounds like a conspiracy theory. The mutual economic dependence between China and the United States/Europe is so high that economic sanctions similar to those imposed on Russia would completely kill the Western economies.

4. is doubtful. I really don't think that there is appetite among every EU member to admit Ukraine when it is clear that Ukraine doesn't come close to satisfying all the usual criteria. These promises by EU commission president von der Leyen are just talk/symbolism if you ask me.




Quote (dro94 @ 10 Apr 2022 15:14)
Yep, if ISIS, Iraqi-Kurdish forces and civilians all had smartphones we would see 100x what we're seeing now. WW2 was the most brutal war in history by far and I doubt another war would come close to it again, imagine if they had smartphones...

The most shocking part of this to everyone is that it's happening in Europe which is considered to be the most advanced and stable region in the world, when it happens in Yemen or Syria then most people are less interested

Imagine a video of a soldier at Verdun during WW 1 being trapped in a shell crater with a leg wound, unable to escape because it's too steep and slippery, so he slowly drowns as the crater fills with rainwater...

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Apr 10 2022 07:33am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 10 2022 02:12pm)
Just in from Taiwan News.

1. There are media in Europe , France and Germany who are saying that sanctions on Russia due to the current dependence on Energy are going to collapse a lot of small and medium businesses. Food pricing is raising in a ridiculous rate. Energy prices as well.
One Taiwanese family who is living in Italy are paying around 500 Euros a month (?) for the past month.

2. USA is earning a lot from this conflict , there were LNG ships (?) who are going to Taiwan and a few other countries suddenly changed course and are heading to Europe, panelist say that they can earn a lot more in Europe than providing to those Asian countries at the current moment.

3. USA is raising the pricing of oil and gas domestically, even though they have enough and is a oil producing country. So the oil and gas company is wining both domestically and globally.

4. One panelist is saying Zelensky is brutal because he is using war to get a fast track membership to EU by using the lives of his citizens.

5. Countries like Israel , China , India , Russia and a few OPEC country are now discussing expanding some currencies to buy Oil and Gas instead of just using USD. Proposed currency at the moment is Indian Rupee and Chinese Yuan.

6. One panelist was giving a " conspiracy type " comment that the USA is trying to make Europe fall with Russia. Europe would have to depend on USA oil and Gas production now and the price will be a lot higher. In regards to Russia the USA is thinking of sanctioning them back to the 1900s.
Once Russia is done, they will concentrate on China and put China back in its place. Because in Recent months India whom they though was a ally and partner since they are in QUAD are not standing in line with the USA. They will do India once China is done.
And when all the dust is settled, Countries like Iran, Pakistan and North Korea will be dealt with last.

What the United states is afraid of is a combination and a strategic partnership of Russia , India and China will be a economical , ideological and military threat they might not have the chance to contain in future if they are not being dealt with now.

Would like comments from my JSP D2 brothers and sisters


in my opinion:

In war some companies/countries will always profit, this is self evident. however, this is a by product rather then a goal. Yes prices will go up, ergo people on the bread line will fall below the breadline.
I would not call Zelensky brutal. I would say that the panalyst made a crass statement. Also, it has already been widely discussed and reported that a different currency is required. If the US wants to excommunicate Russia then the obvious thing is to do a complete breakaway. This is in India, Russia and China's interests (even EU's). I do not see the US attempting to cripple the EU.
Broadly it is known that america has been concerned for some time (years) that its global position is declining and are trying to figure out how to reverse this. They dont know how to do anything other then regime change, sanctions and war so thats what you can expect to see more of. We would need to see a complete rethink of foreign policy and there is no evidence to suggest this.

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Quote (ferdia @ 10 Apr 2022 21:33)
in my opinion:

In war some companies/countries will always profit, this is self evident. however, this is a by product rather then a goal. Yes prices will go up, ergo people on the bread line will fall below the breadline.
I would not call Zelensky brutal. I would say that the panalyst made a crass statement. Also, it has already been widely discussed and reported that a different currency is required. If the US wants to excommunicate Russia then the obvious thing is to do a complete breakaway. This is in India, Russia and Japan's interests (even EU's). I do not see the US attempting to cripple the EU.
Broadly it is known that america has been concerned for some time (years) that its global position is declining and are trying to figure out how to reverse this. They dont know how to do anything other then regime change, sanctions and war so thats what you can expect to see more of.


Ah Understood, I am just watching those Taiwanese panelist arguing with one another. So i thought it might be interesting. They are extremely concern because of Energy security since they import a lot from USA.
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upps i meant china not japan. editing now. (i edit alot).

If America wants to be a dick to Taiwan i can visualise China laughing.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Apr 2022 21:30)
6. sounds like a conspiracy theory. The mutual economic dependence between China and the United States/Europe is so high that economic sanctions similar to those imposed on Russia would completely kill the Western economies.

4. is doubtful. I really don't think that there is appetite among every EU member to admit Ukraine when it is clear that Ukraine doesn't come close to satisfying all the usual criteria. These promises by EU commission president von der Leyen are just talk/symbolism if you ask me.

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I thought that point 6 is kinda conspiracy theory as well thats why i pointed out.

For point 4 , the panelist were also saying that it takes a very long period of application to join the EU
And now Zelensky is trying to fast forward it but the EU charter do not have such amendments.
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