It might be a cynical but brilliant play for Biden and the Democrats to suggest a bill which would eliminate all mask mandates and restrictions, but in turn cuts off all public funding of healthcare costs associated in any way shape or form with the treatment of non-vaccinated covid patients. (Which would more or less force all hospitals to turn away all unvaxxed covid patients.)

If Republicans block it, their base gets enraged. If they sign off on it, that's a massive bipartisan success for Biden, takes the wind out of GOP complaints about the covid restrictions and could, potentially, lead to mass deaths which disproportionately decimate the Republican ranks.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 18 2021 06:25am

might as well try something else since the cootie isnt killing us

in the pandemic beginning, it was said that pharma is going to work on vaccine to help the global population, not to earn money
up to this date, pharma companies made over 190 BILLION USD just on covid vaccines.

today from eu parlament

https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm

95% of people in hospital with covid had at least one serious medical condition

tell me again why a young and healthy person gets pressured into taking the vaccine

i do not need it

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Jul 18 2021 08:20am

80% are obese on top of that.

Underlying medical condition =/= serious medical condition

how do you define "serious"?
imo, obesity = serious medical condition

I'm not sure if run-of-the-mill conditions like hypertension or some metabolic disorder really qualify as "serious medical condition".
You're making it sound as if 95% of covid casualties already had one foot in the grave...




Regarding the benefit of vaccinations for the young and healthy: it is about protecting others, not about self-protection. The vaccinated get infected less often if exposed to the virus, and if infected spread it at greatly reduced rates. So vaccinating the young and healthy contributes to keeping case numbers lower than they otherwise would be. Every vaccination reduces the reproduction factor by a tiny bit if you will.

The basic idea in current debates is that vaccinations allow us to live with much higher case numbers without risking to overwhelm the healthcare system. Ideally, we would like to drop all restrictions, let cases soar and still be fine because the vaccinated are protected and it's just a cold for them (just as for the young). But since the vaccines cannot provide perfect protection against hospitalization (only 88-92% iirc), reducing the growth rate of the unchecked virus via vaccination of the young and healthy can easily make the difference between hospitals coping or eventually getting overrun.

A little numerical example: if we have a population of 30m here in Germany who belong to the age-based risk groups (55 and older), all of them are vaccinated, vaccinations reduce the risk of contracting covid by 90% and further reduce the risk of hospitalization if infected by another 90%, then that's still potentially 300k patients flooding the hospitals and ICUs. The vaccination of the younger age cohorts determines how explosive cases will grow once restrictions are dropped, and thus whether these breakthrough infections become a threat to the hospitals or not.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 18 2021 09:46am

I'm just quoting the article he linked.

Obesity isn't a serious medical condition by any stretch. The fact that a huge portion of the population can live decades fully functional is a testament to that.



I'll tell you something a doctor told me while I was shadowing that really influenced how I look at the world of medicine.

Let's say you have a 400lb morbidly obese person who smokes, has uncontrolled diabetes with 200+ blood sugar, smokes, and can't move from their bed. What's the first thing you want to work on to get them healthy? The evidence says, get them to stop smoking. If you want to let them live longer with a better quality of life, the first priority on that person is to get them to stop smoking.

The fact is, "is a smoker" is a far greater chronic health condition than almost anything else we commonly think is due to lifestyle choices, and people can survive smoking for 70 years.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 18 2021 09:56am

well, maybe it was not the best word, but hypertension is serious long term and i am sure these people didnt have like 121/81 from the "ideal" pressure

your point makes sense IF we could get an actual definition of a covid infection

the case numbers are driven by pcr tests that arent even conducted in the same way everywhere and quick tests that are borderline garbage

even the WHO says that a positive test with no symptoms is not a covid case

before that happens its not even worth discussing the cases, if you want to be realistic

btw, afaik we still have to figure out how vaccinated spread the virus, iirc they spread delta quite a lot in israel

we will have to live with infections