Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 25 2024 01:45pm)

More SBU agents running to the shelters, glory to Valdimir the mastermind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBtFurxmkFE

Quote (zorzin @ Mar 25 2024 08:02pm)

The ukranians are claiming that they shot down multiple hypersonics with their patriots. Do you know what happens when you intercept one of these above a populated area?

Putin isn't targeting school children with multi-million dollar missles fam.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 25 2024 04:53pm)

I don't really understand why they're targetting infrastructure now, at the end of winter, though. If they wanted to demoralize and wear down Ukraine's civilian population, it would have been far more effective to carry out these attacks at the height of winter, just like they did a year ago.


Russia's conduct of this war so far hasn't exactly been characterized by an effort to prevent the needless killing of innocent people. :rolleyes:
Imho, destroying the infrastucture of the city is best explained by an attempt at starving out the defenders of the city before Russia tries to take it by storm at a later point, potentially in the summer or during next winter.


Ukrainian attacks on Russian refineries, warships and border towns definitely ramped up in recent weeks, so it oculd be a reaction. On the other hand, it would also make sense that Putin waited for his reelection before pulling the trigger on an all-out war. Particularly if he plans a new round of mobilization (which wasn't popular with the Russian people the first time and will be even less popular this time around).

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 25 2024 06:33pm)

Maybe it wasn't about demoralizing the Ukrainian population but about reducing Ukraine's military capabilities.

For the same reason the coalition bombed Iraqi infrastructure into dust for example (I hope we're past the "whataboutism nonsense).

Note that earlier Russia first attacked the substations and distribution hubs, not the main power stations (to preserve those so they wouldn't have to rebuild those?) but seems like we're past that stage now.

Edit: had the wrong quote (Void)

Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 25 2024 07:36pm)

Good post, with exception of highlighted red (blatant lie)

Quote (zorzin @ Mar 25 2024 06:22pm)

Ya it was based off of live videos and a geolocation of the building. I won't be able to provide a media source for my claim and I definitely forgot to say allegedly in there but the Russians are claiming it and I don't think they wasted a 10million dollar missle on an apartment building but I definitely could be wrong about it.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/117909

https://t.me/ChDambiev/28717

https://i.postimg.cc/x82QB3Vn/1711368353368353m.jpg

Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 25 2024 06:36pm)

Good post, with exception of highlighted red (blatant lie)

Quote (ofthevoid @ 25 Mar 2024 18:49)

Because contrary to western propaganda, they aren't after crushing civilians. They didn't want to target this infrastructure at the height of winter probably because there's no benefit to leave civilians in the cold and without water. [...]

If it was about starving civilians they'd do it in the dead of winter or at literally at any previous point in this war, yet it only happens after 2 years after the war?

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Are they just stupid and didn't realize they could knock out hydroelectric power stations prior to this week or?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 25 Mar 2024 20:44)

Partially desperation, partially in response to only incremental gains along the front; Potentially to affect Ukrainian domestic defence industry.

Predominantly because this is what the Russian military does and has done for decades.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 25 2024 10:43pm)

They did exactly that, attack Ukraine's electricity and heating infrastructure, during the winter of 2022/23. Goom couldn't shut up about all the "corpsicles" which he predicted to fill the streets of Kyiv by the end of that winter. So yes, freezing and starving civilians out is something Russia already did during this war, just 14 months ago!


I'm with Djunior on this one: they previously didn't attack major, hard-to-replace pieces of infrastructure, presumably because they were still hoping to eventually capture them intact. Now, they seemingly don't give a fuck anymore.




Does Ukraine even have noteworthy amounts of defence industry left on its own territory?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 25 Mar 2024 23:52)

Yes and its trying to add more all the time. Ukraine had a substantial arms industry even before 2022.

Damaging energy infrastructure can impact defence manufacturing.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 25 2024 10:54pm)

Of course it can. I just wonder... why hasn't Russia destroyed these arms factories yet? They clearly have the capability to strike any place in Ukraine with their hypersonic missiles, and even if they don't have a ton of those and they're expensive as fuck, an arms factory would still be a worthwhile target.