Chechnya was internal conflict. Same as Ukraine vs Donetzk/Luhansk. If you count this one then you should admit that Ukrainian government shell bombed their own citizens.

Agreed that crimes have been committed by both sides, but only a fool would frame this as equivalence

Russian civilians killed by Ukraine: 0
Ukrainian civilians killed by Russia: 10,000+

Russia started the war too

no one is framing this as equal equivalence.

It's probably short pieces of horrible snuff videos and you dont know where, when, and who it is, remove sound or just leave it with cries and then it's done; only have to put a label on it.
Then "both sides".npc.meme.jpg

Btw:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-crimes-investigation/

+ 1 question: if there's so many evidence of both sides, why Russia is completely locking media and forbid contrary voices ? Something is broken, go to Leroy Merlin and mount that fucking guillotine.

I agree that Russia is the aggressor, I’m not really trying to vilify both sides to justify innocence dying, just pointing the shit coming out of this war is extremely nasty. Idk maybe all wars are like this but beforehand we didn’t have smart phones in our pockets?

pretty much that yes.

We did, but you were not fed with that news from all sides.
If russia does 10 times what they did so far, they still wouldn't be as bad as America

all wars have warcrimes. there is nothing in the current war that is in anyway close to extent of the horrors we have seen in the worst wars. This is not in any way making an attempt to disregard the horror of this war.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 10 2022 07:09am

Just in from Taiwan News.

1. There are media in Europe , France and Germany who are saying that sanctions on Russia due to the current dependence on Energy are going to collapse a lot of small and medium businesses. Food pricing is raising in a ridiculous rate. Energy prices as well.
One Taiwanese family who is living in Italy are paying around 500 Euros a month (?) for the past month.

2. USA is earning a lot from this conflict , there were LNG ships (?) who are going to Taiwan and a few other countries suddenly changed course and are heading to Europe, panelist say that they can earn a lot more in Europe than providing to those Asian countries at the current moment.

3. USA is raising the pricing of oil and gas domestically, even though they have enough and is a oil producing country. So the oil and gas company is wining both domestically and globally.

4. One panelist is saying Zelensky is brutal because he is using war to get a fast track membership to EU by using the lives of his citizens.

5. Countries like Israel , China , India , Russia and a few OPEC country are now discussing expanding some currencies to buy Oil and Gas instead of just using USD. Proposed currency at the moment is Indian Rupee and Chinese Yuan.

6. One panelist was giving a " conspiracy type " comment that the USA is trying to make Europe fall with Russia. Europe would have to depend on USA oil and Gas production now and the price will be a lot higher. In regards to Russia the USA is thinking of sanctioning them back to the 1900s.
Once Russia is done, they will concentrate on China and put China back in its place. Because in Recent months India whom they though was a ally and partner since they are in QUAD are not standing in line with the USA. They will do India once China is done.
And when all the dust is settled, Countries like Iran, Pakistan and North Korea will be dealt with last.

What the United states is afraid of is a combination and a strategic partnership of Russia , India and China will be a economical , ideological and military threat they might not have the chance to contain in future if they are not being dealt with now.

Would like comments from my JSP D2 brothers and sisters

Yep, if ISIS, Iraqi-Kurdish forces and civilians all had smartphones we would see 100x what we're seeing now. WW2 was the most brutal war in history by far and I doubt another war would come close to it again, imagine if they had smartphones...

The most shocking part of this to everyone is that it's happening in Europe which is considered to be the most advanced and stable region in the world, when it happens in Yemen or Syria then most people are less interested